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#181 sunday

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Posted 09 November 2018 - 0526 AM

 

We managed to see through the rear doors of a BMP at one of the Czech Bahna events, and the interior for the riflemen seemed very, very tight.

 
Not for Communist new men, who don't have an ounce of fat in their bodies.

 

 
Nor a centimeter of height to spare!


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Posted 09 November 2018 - 0836 AM

Watching video from Syria, even the small Mid-Easterners had trouble getting in and out.  Being seated at the front of the troop compartment and furthest from those tiny hatches had to be an ongoing significant emotional experience.


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Posted 09 November 2018 - 0947 AM


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Posted 09 November 2018 - 1400 PM

Having only visual comparisons to go on, I agree that the BMP's troop compartment and rear doors look pretty unpleasant compared to other vehicles. Here's a little comparison: top row is BMP-1, FV432, M113; bottom row is Panhard M3 VTT, Marder 1A3, M2A1 Bradley.

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#185 Markus Becker

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Posted 09 November 2018 - 1608 PM

Compare the hight of the seats. In a BMP you almost got your knees under your chin. It's been a while since I rode in one but I think you can raise them to a normal level but then you have your head stick out the top. The Marder has normal seating even with hatches closed.
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Posted 09 November 2018 - 1624 PM

Someone (Ken E. iirc) wrote that BMP-1 actually passed all US Army ergonomic requirements.
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Posted 09 November 2018 - 1821 PM

One more thing. Notice the bulges on the inside of the BMP doors? Aux fuel tanks.
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Posted 09 November 2018 - 1831 PM

Do the BMP doors have a power assist? On the M113 there's at least a smaller single man door.
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Posted 09 November 2018 - 1908 PM

Do the BMP doors have a power assist? On the M113 there's at least a smaller single man door.

Looking closely at the BMP photo in DogDodger's post, I can't see anything that looks like power assist.  The Bradley has a personnel hatch as well.


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Posted 09 November 2018 - 2243 PM

For all it's other flaws, getting in (or out of and into action) a 113 was not one of them. Drop that ramp and move.  The A3 remains a decent taxi. 


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Posted 09 November 2018 - 2353 PM

Do the BMP doors have a power assist? On the M113 there's at least a smaller single man door.

 

No power assist and it is not needed, AFAIK. The rear of the hull is slanted at 19 degrees, so when you open the door it practically falls open on its own.


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Posted 10 November 2018 - 0110 AM

For all it's other flaws, getting in (or out of and into action) a 113 was not one of them. Drop that ramp and move.  The A3 remains a decent taxi. 

 

An ex- RAEME told me of a time that they were using an M113 to tow a disabled M113 back to base.  The towing M113 having troops in the back.  At one stage the commander looks around and sees that the vehicle being towed is no longer there, and then looks back inside to see the ramp missing....  He asked the infantry what had happened and was told that the ramp had come loose and fallen off a few miles back.......


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Posted 10 November 2018 - 0906 AM

Not Hatchy, but Chieftain; obviously enjoying bantering with his co-host  ^_^  :

EDIT: 'Front Slope Wear Gauge' :D 


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Posted 10 November 2018 - 1133 AM

Now  I know where those wear plates are mounted, sport!

 

 

For the AVDS-1790 details and history Walter should have come for a cameo. ;)


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Posted 10 November 2018 - 1202 PM

Nice camera work around back; nothing flat there... 😉
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Posted 10 November 2018 - 1246 PM

Most dangerous video Nick has done.


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Posted 10 November 2018 - 1326 PM

Most dangerous video Nick has done.

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Posted 10 November 2018 - 1333 PM

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Posted 10 November 2018 - 1832 PM

Someone (Ken E. iirc) wrote that BMP-1 actually passed all US Army ergonomic requirements.

Except the gunner, who was a tank crewman by specialty, and presumably was still conscripted and assigned under a maximum height restriction. The source was an army major at the Aberdeen Proving Ground branch of the Foreign Science and Technology Center.


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