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#41 Panzermann

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 0510 AM

The deer-in-headlights stare is always funny, when you confront people with obvious ideas.

 

 

 

Did philippine officers ever attend an urban course in the USA? Or soemwhere else? I mean for twenty years the theoretics have talked about the city as the future battelfield. That should have been heard even in the philipines.


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#42 Simon Tan

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 0517 AM

How many places anywhere allow you to mousehole and wreck their facilities?


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#43 Roman Alymov

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 0525 AM

As with all armies, they have not been paying attention when other people are working. I watched a FIBUA exercise here and asked where the ladders, picks, crowbars and sledgehammers were. The officer looked at me like I was insane. Perhaps I was to suggest that he might want to smash holes in the training buildings.

 

You can never lose quickly enough.

It heavily depend on infrastructure – making hole in wall in Syria is one thing, making hole in wall in Russia is completely different, most likely sledgehammer will not work against concrete with lots of steel bars inside, demolition charges are needed (see how pro-Russians were progressing through Donetsk airport). As far as I remember WWII memoirs, Soviets discovered  the weakest spot to blow through walls in German multi-floor houses were stoves\chimneys. 
And if not having enough men, braking walls is useless – mobile enemy groups will just encircle your unit while you are making your way through houses. I do not think rebels got any strategic points to defend in Mindanao – they just circle around killing soldiers where they can, retreating where they can’t – the same way as Chechens were doing.


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#44 Simon Tan

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 0801 AM

It's all masonry. Rebar is expensive and used sparingly. The Phillipines Army has a significant preponderance of manpower even in the area but much of it is of indifferent quality and of dubious leadership. Abu Sayyaf and the Maute expect the Filipino troops to come up the roads and prepare accordingly. Then they obliged.


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#45 Josh

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 1535 PM

Terrorist attack underway at a hotel in Manila.
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#46 Dark_Falcon

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 1632 PM

Terrorist attack underway at a hotel in Manila.

 

Unsure about that.  The Chief of the National Police is now saying it looks more like a robbery.


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Posted 01 June 2017 - 2014 PM

Yep, more like a robbery. Had me personally worried as my new pretty coworker lives just walking distance from the hotel.

 

The Philippine Army hasn't had much training and experience with MOUT. Hence the weakness. This despite previous incidents (e.g., Zamboanga siege). But that should be no excuse.


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#48 Simon Tan

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 2334 PM

ap_17151330617251_wide-f18b493be598d0e07​M113 with Elbit -25 remote weapon station. Iligan.


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#49 Simon Tan

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 2338 PM

37 dead in RW Manila, apparently from smoke inhalation after fire. Pinoy Whitey criminals are deadlier than DAESH. 


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#50 Panzermann

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 0439 AM

ap_17151330617251_wide-f18b493be598d0e07​M113 with Elbit -25 remote weapon station. Iligan.

 

the turret is probably better protected than the hull... a slight up armouring to make them at least bullet proof would have been nice imho. Any full size rifle cartridge with AP bullets is going to penetrate them.

 

Interesting that the ACAVs in the back do not have smoke launchers installed.


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#51 Josh

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 0911 AM

37 dead in RW Manila, apparently from smoke inhalation after fire. Pinoy Whitey criminals are deadlier than DAESH.


Well to be fair in the US, ISIS never killed as many people as any white guy who attacked a school ever. The US has had way more white terrorism than Muslim, but coming out and saying so would be against the narrative.
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Posted 02 June 2017 - 1448 PM

 

37 dead in RW Manila, apparently from smoke inhalation after fire. Pinoy Whitey criminals are deadlier than DAESH.


Well to be fair in the US, ISIS never killed as many people as any white guy who attacked a school ever. The US has had way more white terrorism than Muslim, but coming out and saying so would be against the narrative.

 

Did you forget about the Orlando Pulse terror attack?  Omar Mateen, who pledged allegiance to Daesh/ISIS, killed 49 people, more than were killed by "white guys" at either Columbine or Sandy Hook.  And a few school shootings haven't caused any fatalities. Your line fails the facts test.

 

If you're going to spout propaganda like that, don't spout lines that are so easily refuted. :angry:


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Posted 02 June 2017 - 1554 PM

A Philippine Army V-150 ARV variant retrieved a flipped over dump truck, but on its way back to base took a turn wrong and went into a ditch:

 

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And here we see the ARV itself being recovered by a pair of M113s:

 

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You can almost hear Sparky laughing in the background.  Not that this episode really says much about the vehicles in question, but its the sort of thing that goober crows over. :rolleyes:


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#54 Brian Kennedy

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 1555 PM

I think it hinges on attacks that were actually organized/sponsored by ISIS vs people who think ISIS is cool. 


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#55 Simon Tan

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 2219 PM

What is the difference? DAESH crowdsources.


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Posted 02 June 2017 - 2219 PM

 

 

37 dead in RW Manila, apparently from smoke inhalation after fire. Pinoy Whitey criminals are deadlier than DAESH.


Well to be fair in the US, ISIS never killed as many people as any white guy who attacked a school ever. The US has had way more white terrorism than Muslim, but coming out and saying so would be against the narrative.

 

Did you forget about the Orlando Pulse terror attack?  Omar Mateen, who pledged allegiance to Daesh/ISIS, killed 49 people, more than were killed by "white guys" at either Columbine or Sandy Hook.  And a few school shootings haven't caused any fatalities. Your line fails the facts test.

 

If you're going to spout propaganda like that, don't spout lines that are so easily refuted. :angry:

 

Also  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_San_Bernardino_attack 

 

https://en.wikipedia..._States_by_year


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#57 Colin

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Posted 03 June 2017 - 0024 AM

 

37 dead in RW Manila, apparently from smoke inhalation after fire. Pinoy Whitey criminals are deadlier than DAESH.


Well to be fair in the US, ISIS never killed as many people as any white guy who attacked a school ever. The US has had way more white terrorism than Muslim, but coming out and saying so would be against the narrative.

 

Actually using that metric, it has way more Black on Black terrorism than white on anyone or terrorist attacks. However turn off the security services and the Islamists will fill the gap.


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Posted 03 June 2017 - 1628 PM

Should the other SE Asian countries - namely Malaysia, Indonesia and Singapore - get involved in the PH at this stage?


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Posted 03 June 2017 - 1646 PM

As with all armies, they have not been paying attention when other people are working. I watched a FIBUA exercise here and asked where the ladders, picks, crowbars and sledgehammers were. The officer looked at me like I was insane. Perhaps I was to suggest that he might want to smash holes in the training buildings.

For one exercise our platoon had to carry two long aluminum ladders wrapped with sacking material as camouflage and reduce noise all night through muddy roads and plantations. Aluminum is misleading as they were heavy duty firemen grade ladders. They were heavy as fxxk, and there was no easy way to carry them over such long distances. It rained, of course, and the sacking soaked up water further adding to the weight.

 

By comparison, once I saw a doco of Vietnamese commandos (modern day) and their method was simple and effective: All they used was a thick bamboo pole. At one end, one guy hangs on with weapon ready in one hand. At the other end, several guys simply pivots him upwards - a bit like pole vaulting - to the second floor window in one quick quiet movement. Brilliant.


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Posted 03 June 2017 - 1724 PM

 

Terrorist attack underway at a hotel in Manila.

 

Unsure about that.  The Chief of the National Police is now saying it looks more like a robbery.

 

 

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Clearly, the robber knew the casino intimately. Only a limited number of employees would know where the chips are stored and even fewer would have access. This guy either had inside information or is a disgruntled current or ex-employee.

 

His actions, in deliberately burning the gambling tables and jackpot machines, seem to indicate more than mere robbery. There seems to be some vengeance involved in wanting to destroy the casino's money-making assets.

 

His action seems to have a more suicide attack angle than pure robbery intentions. And by attack I mean attacking the casino itself, not so much murdering bystanders.


Edited by chino, 04 June 2017 - 0025 AM.

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