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#21 T-44

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 1453 PM


Is the cockpit of the J12 off-set to the left side of the fuselage?


 

It sure looks that way.

Edit:Its left side. Not ours.

 

 

Don't think so, but the protruding pitot tube (or whatever test/measuring device it is) is, which does makes the cockpit location seem a bit assymetrical

 

see: http://si.wsj.net/pu...10104224324.jpg


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#22 erwinl

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 1506 PM

 


Is the cockpit of the J12 off-set to the left side of the fuselage?


 

It sure looks that way.

Edit:Its left side. Not ours.

 

 

Don't think so, but the protruding pitot tube (or whatever test/measuring device it is) is, which does makes the cockpit location seem a bit assymetrical

 

see: http://si.wsj.net/pu...10104224324.jpg

 

Ah! That's much clearer. Thank you.


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#23 Koesj

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 2334 PM

It's J-20 btw. Also there's the J/F-31.


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#24 Mr King

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 0909 AM

It's J-20 btw. Also there's the J/F-31.

 

Thank you for the clarification. 

 

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#25 Charles

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 1240 PM

PAK FA
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J 12
 
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Is the cockpit of the J12 off-set to the left side of the fuselage?
It sure looks that way.
Edit:Its left side. Not ours.

PAK FA
qHtCiBz.jpg
 
J 12
 
ODpKp2j.jpg

Is the cockpit of the J12 off-set to the left side of the fuselage?
It sure looks that way.
Edit:Its left side. Not ours.


I must say, that both the YF-23 and the PAK FA are seriously good looking aircraft. How they did and will perform is a matter for another thread.

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#26 tankerwanabe

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 1242 PM

I think that the South Koreans were also working on a stealth platform.
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#27 Mr King

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 1434 PM

Stealth UCAV Phantom Ray

 

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 1138 AM

Any attempts to make a pseudo-stealth Eurofighter or Rafael?    Or any of the Migs/Su? 


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#29 Wobbly Head

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 1405 PM

Even Canada is getting onto the stealth bandwagon in their own way of course.

http://www.popularme...ou-see-15835701

 

No picture as it is a top secret project.


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#30 ramontxo

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 0452 AM

Even Canada is getting onto the stealth bandwagon in their own way of course.

http://www.popularme...ou-see-15835701

 

No picture as it is a top secret project.

Speaking of Canada, i remember reading in a british aviaton magazine, how the (then) new F-18, found very difficult to adquire in their radars the old  (and surprisingly stealthy) Starfighters...


Edited by ramontxo, 06 September 2013 - 0453 AM.

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#31 Adam_S

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 0843 AM

The Eurofighter IS stealthy. Alright it doesnt look it, but it does by some reports feature some Radar absorbent material along the leading edges and round the air intake. Its less an effort to make it a pure stealth fighter, than reduce its detectability from front from longer ranges.

 

Apparently one of the smallest radar cross sections was found to be the BAE Hawk. Right up to the point when you start hanging stuff on it.

 

So something I've always wanted to know is if you take a stealthy airframe like a raptor and hang a stealthy weapon off it like a storm shadow, is the end result still stealthy or does the interaction between the weapon and the airframe mess it all up somehow.


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#32 tankerwanabe

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 1203 PM

I wonder whether the trend is to embed missiles into the body of the aircraft instead of putting them on pylons.  Separation at high speed is an issue of course, but I'm thinking of how the Tomcats used to carry their AIM-54 underneath their fuselage.    I could see re-manufacturing weapons to maker their carriage more stealthy.   For example, shorter fins or replacing them with thrust-vectoring.  


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#33 Mr King

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 1316 PM

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 1507 PM

Not very easy with bombs, but missiles have been envisaged for some years being launched from boxes or containers, which presumably would then be jettisoned.

 

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 1659 PM

Can pylons be stealthy?  I notice that the ones used on the F35s differ in appearance from the current generation pylons. 


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Posted 06 September 2013 - 1807 PM

 

The Eurofighter IS stealthy. Alright it doesnt look it, but it does by some reports feature some Radar absorbent material along the leading edges and round the air intake. Its less an effort to make it a pure stealth fighter, than reduce its detectability from front from longer ranges.

 

Apparently one of the smallest radar cross sections was found to be the BAE Hawk. Right up to the point when you start hanging stuff on it.

 

So something I've always wanted to know is if you take a stealthy airframe like a raptor and hang a stealthy weapon off it like a storm shadow, is the end result still stealthy or does the interaction between the weapon and the airframe mess it all up somehow.

 

 

That interaction mess it all in a big way, especially in stealth designs that depend on reflection of the radar energy.


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#37 Mr King

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 1954 PM

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 0815 AM

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Shoudn't the yellow jacked point to the sky instead of forwards  :P


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#39 Mr King

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 1945 PM

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 2308 PM


I vaguely recall a concept sketched up by General Dynamics in the 1980s (?) which was a tankbuster version of the F-16. It had a launch tube integral to the fuselage (and fairly conformal, at that) and some kind of internal magazine for AT missiles. The idea being to build a few hundred of these little rascals to stop the Soviet Hordes™ in Europe. I canna find mention of it on Gooogle, but I'm almost 10% sure this occurred in reality and not just my fertile imagination.

Another option is missiles and launchers that are inherently conformal. Again, operating from memory of past artist's concepts, a missiles with a flat upper surface can mate to a carriage with a flat bottom surface, both having RCS treatment. Fins are stowed within the missile body, deployed upon launch. Gain is both in less aero drag and less RCS.
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