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#1 Nikolas93TS

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Posted 21 July 2019 - 1359 PM

I wonder if there is somebody who might know if French-operated ERC-90 used SOPTAC fire-control system (with TCV 107 laser range-finder and combined day and night passive sight TJN 2.90) or that was something ordered by foreign users like Argentina and Mexico for Lynx?

 


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Posted 22 July 2019 - 2253 PM

Was built for export but the French wound up with 190 or so.

 

From Wikipedia:

"At this time period, the French Army was organising the Fast Deployment Force (FDF) for overseas military missions, mainly in Africa or the Middle East. The main core of the FDF would be French Army's 9th Marine Infantry Division and 11th Parachute Division.. . .  French Army had at first planned on equipping . . .  with the AMX-10RC, but were told that this vehicle was not suitable for transport by the French Air Force Transall C-160. . . .  In addition, most of the bridges in Africa had only a 6 to 8 ton load capacity. So instead of the larger AMX-10RC. . .  the French Army Staff took the surprise step in December 1980 of ordering the Sagaie for the future FDF.[5] And to date the Sagaie has proved very useful for the French Army in its African bases and even in urban conditions during the Siege of Sarajevo. The last known combat uses of the Sagaie were with French troops stationed in Ivory Coast on a peace-keeping mission between two rival factions and in Mali in 2013.

 


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Posted 24 July 2019 - 1120 AM

Indeed, it was not developed to meet a French Army requirement (which at that stage prefered AMX-10RC) but was eventually bought for quick-reaction force as it could be easily air-transported by then-standard French cargo planes. 

 

However, twenty-eight VBC-90G armored cars (based on VAB) were purchased for a single squadron of the Mobile Gendarmerie in the roughly same period, and that vehicle had above mentioned FCS.

 

It is not clear however if ERC-90 used by French Army had such a system (or at least laser rangefinder). Some export variants were made with it, but I don't have  a clue if it was fitted on domestic vehicles.


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Posted 28 July 2019 - 1054 AM

Sorry, completely missed the point of your question.  Ref SOPTAC: I can find references that say both the Lynx and ERC-90 had electro-optical systems and that SOPTAC was built for both kinds of turrets, but can't find one that specifically links those two things together.  It seems like SOPTAC was standard for both of the turrets involved but I can't find anything about who bought which version of SOPTAC.

 

There were six versions of SOPTAC available for both the Lynx and ERC-90: essentially there were three levels of sophistication and each of those three levels were available in both day/night and day-only versions. 

  • For the day/night versions SOPTAC 11 was the most sophisticated, SOPTAC 22 the least, and SOPTAC 10 in the middle.
  • The corresponding "day only" versions were 06, 13, and 21.
  • Versions for the TS90 turret used an "A" suffix, e.g. SOPTAC 11A, while versions for the Lynx turret used a "B" suffix

As Nikolas mentioned the French VBC90s did have SOPTAC, specifically SOPTAC 11.


Edited by CaptLuke, 28 July 2019 - 1103 AM.

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