=tankerwanabe,Thu 22 Sep 2005 1628]
"The culture of Vietnamese Notherners and Southerners are nearly identical. "
"Albeit we can label Northern organization as totalitarian communism with paranoid internal security, it was still highly effective. This is evidence in their perfomance."
You missed my point. It was precisely because
of those characteristics that the units has good cohesion and was highly effective. Trust me, you don't need to advise me that it was highly effective.
"So we have an effective Northern Vietnamese military. And we have an ineffective South Vietnamese military to which were led by Northern-born/raise officers. Therefore, culture can not explain the ineffectiveness of the South Vietnamese military."
Why...because you said so? I find that very uncompelling. Since you are ill-informed as to point one, you conclusion is flawed. Further, where, exaclty, does you information come from that most ARVN officers were Northern born/raised?
"With culture out, there is only two resonable explanations. The South Vietnamese military was not as ineffective as we believe. Or in the alternative, It was ineffective but for a reason other than culture. "
Culture is not "out". And the South Vietnamese military was largely ineffective, contributed to largely by corruption and total lack of committment (or much reason) until for some units, things got really desperate in '72...for example.
"It's my opinion that we perpetuated poor Southern leadership. Many South Vietnamese generals after the fall of the Diem administration were on our CIA payroll (Source - Former Ambassador Nolting). It's likely that we paid them for their loyalty rather than their effectiveness. "
Well, we didn't create them, per se, but we certainly perpetuated them. Short of establishing a U.S. Miltary governorship, we did kinda' have to appease the SV gov't, unfortunately.
'It's rather difficult to criticize the ARVN when we employed their generals."
Not for me, I worked with them in the field. You? BTW, leadership is not a property necessary only for generals.
Edited by Doug Kibbey, 22 September 2005 - 1146 AM.