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#2001 Ssnake

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Posted 16 July 2019 - 1949 PM

In the case of Puerto Rico you could actually say that the local government doesn't have a very good track record, and since it's not a US state, "going back and fixing stuff there" isn't entirely absurd, and not necessarily racist either. Same goes for Somalia. I wouldn't have made such a statement; a 50% miss rate under the most favorable interpretation isn't exactly precision fire. But it doesn't prove "Trump=racist" unless you have made your mind up already and want him to be one.


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#2002 R011

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Posted 16 July 2019 - 2000 PM

It is not just that these four hate the current government, but that they hate everything about America itself.
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Posted 16 July 2019 - 2011 PM

That doesn't require special mentioning, but when you use Twitter like Trump, there isn't much room for much sophistication in your statements. So it can be interpreted in a way that deflects from the actual message; the the four girls predictably do the only thing they have prepared for such a situation, they cry "Racist!"

 

Fortunately our objective TV news are seeing through this and would never quote only selective passages from Trump's tweets.


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#2004 Martin M

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 0339 AM

so it´s not the same


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Posted 17 July 2019 - 0356 AM

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#2006 Martin M

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 0444 AM

Trump remarks and Lübcke remarks


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Posted 17 July 2019 - 0807 AM

Ah. No, not quite.


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Posted 17 July 2019 - 0819 AM

Hey German members!  Is Volksmarching still as popular now as it was in the 1980's?  I loved to go do those.  


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#2009 Ssnake

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 0824 AM

1) No.

2) Try https://www.ivv-onli...n-weltweit.html(unfortunately the page is in German only), or contact [email protected]


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#2010 Panzermann

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 0918 AM

1) No.

2) Try https://www.ivv-onli...n-weltweit.html(unfortunately the page is in German only), or contact [email protected]

 

to 1) I seems to me that hiking has gained popularity again in recent years. Not as popular as a hundred years ago, when like everybody who had teh time to spare wandered all around Germany. Especially the secondary mountain ranges like the Harz, Black Forest, Thuringina forest, Saxonian Switzerland etc. etc. Outdoors equipment shops are filled with hiking shoes, small rucksacks and such for small hikes from inn to inn. Oddly there has been a rise in popularity in hiking along old pilgrim routes.


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#2011 Markus Becker

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 1026 AM

That's not your usual street names.

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Sports wise E bikes are the thing!

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 1510 PM

NATO Ring is rather unususal, but I have seen several "Am Kasino" (or variations) meaning the officer's mess over the years near barrakcs or former barracks. Hannover has the best one imho. The "Kugelfangtrift" literally bullet trap or backstop drove (-road), which is the street between two separate barracks of which one is no longer in use today. The other houses the MP training centre. And people say germans do not have humor.


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#2013 Markus Becker

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 1641 PM

It's the former home of 1/AA Missile Group 21 I was cycling through. I recall the days that was a barracks. ... :( ;)
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Posted 18 July 2019 - 1437 PM

Apparently the Bundestag is about to be fortified. They plan a ten meter wide and 2.5 meter deep ditch with fences on both sides. Nice idea, but you could improve on it. How about guard towers and free running guard dogs?

Alternately they could just report the imported radicals but that would be admitting having made a mistake.
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Posted 19 July 2019 - 0637 AM

soweit sind wir inzwischen :

 

from FAZ online:

" ..........   bla bla bla ..........deutschen Hauptstadt ungefähr Tausend Schülerinnen und Schülerinnen angeführt von der schwedischen Klimaaktivistin Greta Thunberg  ......... bla bla bla ........ "

 

 

lol

 

100x


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Posted 19 July 2019 - 1030 AM

Apparently the Bundestag is about to be fortified. They plan a ten meter wide and 2.5 meter deep ditch with fences on both sides. Nice idea, but you could improve on it. How about guard towers and free running guard dogs?

 

At first read I thought this was nonsensical on its face, since there is no way you could physically dig a ten-meter-wide moat around the Reichstag - it's directly on a street at one side, on the Spree River at another, and has annexes on the latter and a third side with MPs and staffers going back and forth all the time above and under ground through connecting tunnels. Of course upon checking I found that this is going to be a Ha-ha replacing the makeshift barriers outside the west portal only when the fugly visitor checkpoint containers there, both installed after the 2010 terror threats, finally get superseded by a proper USC-style visitor center with its own connecting tunnel. That's actually going to be an improvement both in security and optics.

 

On street names, former military installations tend to leave their mark after conversion to civilian use.


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Posted 19 July 2019 - 1212 PM

The 'not wall' is not all around but only in front of.

And if it is not physically feasible, since when has that ever stopped determined politicians?

https://www.morgenpo...eht-werden.html
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Posted 22 July 2019 - 1450 PM

CDU and SPD assets sized!

https://www.tichysei...ook-gepfaendet/

Mr. Steinhövel is defending Facebook users who have fallen victim to overbooking - an intended result of the German internet censorship law. And he's winning but Facebook isn't always paying court fees, so he is seizing money the makers of the censorship law pay to FB for political ads.
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Posted 22 July 2019 - 1625 PM

"overblocking", I suppose?


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Posted 07 August 2019 - 1254 PM

I thought about the Free Speech and German elections thread for this one, but it's probably Because, Germany enough despite the political context. I don't usually read Sascha Lobo's column about net-related issues since his main claim of expertise seems to be sporting a bright red iroquise to me, but the trailer for the latest installment piqued my curiosity, and he hit it out of the park. Mostly because like in all the best satire, there is hardly any exaggeration in it. :D

 

Anatomy of a German Shitstorm


A politician provokes, journalists sharpen, Twitter explodes: what was once again observed this week follows certain patterns. Here is the typical progress of a wave of outrage - only a little sharpened.
 
A column by Sascha Lobo
 
It's not that every so-called shitstorm is superfluous or harmful. On the contrary, outrages in social media could become an important social corrective. If they were not in constant danger of degenerating into a mutual escalation ritual.

For this reason here follows the anatomy of a German Shitstorm upon
both an up-to-date* and a timeless occasion - of course freely invented.
 
0. The initial situation

Life-threatening climate crisis, polar record meltdown, new nuclear weapons race, mass letting-die in the Mediterranean, right-wing extremist death lists, unregulated Brexit, impending Kashmir conflict. On Twitter, people smile over a gag that [German comedian] Otto struck
from his stage program in 1982 as "too bad and too old". In the distance, a dog barks.
 
1. The origin

A second-to-third row politician gives an interview
to a medium with deliberately provocative statements to finally escape the second to third row. It is not immediately accessible on the net, because in Germany so far only two media have figured out how to make money on the internet.

2. The escalation

A second medium reports on the interview and further sharpens an already questionable statement of the politician for the headline. The social media team in turn sharpens this sharpening for Facebook and Twitter again. The result is a clearly racist contraction.

3. The ignition spark

A vigilant person on Twitter recognizes the racist contraction as a racist contraction. Without worrying about the actual statements, she attributes the racist contraction directly to the politician.

4. The detonation

Because the contraction is actually racist, Twitter explodes. Most retweeted by far is a comedian who has clearly not read the interview, but masters the mix of outrage, sarcasm and entertainment that works best on Twitter. He also invents the three-barrelled hashtag, chosen such that it can be used by both critics and defenders of the politician.

5. The media heat-up

Because journalists confuse Twitter with society when enough colleagues are sufficiently upset, the first articles about the outrage are written. The word shitstorm is dropped for the first time. The youth spin-off of a mainstream medium publishes a completely unrelated list of the 72 worst gaffes of German comedians. In every German medium without exception, pieces with titles like "What we know so far - and what we don't" or "What the net says" appear.

6. The momentum

Neither the critics nor the defenders of the politician have read the original interview, but either swear that their interpretation of the situation is correct. The shitstorm has separated from the occasion and becomes a show debate on "political correctness" and decency, morals and freedom. Actually of course it's about racism, but because most of the participants are white themselves, self-assurance is more important than the content or even those who are affected by racism. Further online
go: three live tickers, four fact checks, two Bundestag petitions, a podcast series, a death list with all those who used the hashtag, twelve solidarity pages on Facebook and 62 satire accounts on Twitter.

7. The right-wing conspiracy

A far-right party calls the racist contraction a "courageous, overdue analysis" and the shitstorm "an
attack on freedom of expression, which exists only on paper in Germany, paid by Soros and controlled by Hitler's daughter Merkel". If one was not even allowed to be racist without being disturbed and somebody nagging anymore, practically nothing would be left of the Occident.

8. The leftist insistence

The first critics read the interview, recognize their misappropriation, and uprightly correct their - haha, no. Instead, they dig in older interviews with said politician, find other, undoubtedly problematic statements, and thus justify their continued indignation. Which does not stop them from additionally attacking the actual authors of the racist contraction. Someone accuses himself of sitting in an ivory tower.

9. The meta machine

On Twitter the third derivative of the Shitstorm is
raging, in which the justification for the explanation of the racism of the racist contraction is in turn called racist downplaying. A text that is often shared on social media identifies the articles about the articles about the shitstorm as the actual problem, because only then attention was generated for the attention for the shitstorm. In the distance, an Adorno quote barks.

10. The moralist

A politician enthusiastic about her own righteousness identifies social media as the actual core of the evil. Previously, there had been virtually no visible racism in Germany. Singing Gregorian atonement chorals, she cancels the Instagram account of her campaign team to good media effect and embarks upon a three-month talk show tour.
 
11. The analysis

The best analysis of the event takes place on Twitter itself and comes from an Austrian expert who is doing her doctorate on racist waves of outrage in social media and has a chair for contemporary German politics. A Hamburg economics student takes pity and explains precisely to her why her doctoral thesis is completely wrong. When she does not respond to him immediately, he reports her analysis toTwitter as "hate speech." Because she includes the screenshot of a racist tweet in her analysis, Twitter blocks her for three years.

12. The one freerider

A former leader of a leftist party speaks out with the authority of a person who has only halved poll numbers and not reduced them to a third. Without having read the original text, he exuberantly absolves the interviewed politician, the racist contraction, three right-wing non-fiction book authors of similar name as well as Emperor Wilhelm II. of any suspicion of racism.

13. The world explainer

In an arts and culture section of national relevance, a great intellectual is interviewed on the topic. He is so white that he needs suntan lotion at full moon, has an empathy level between 'Ndrangheta and Boko Haram, and has never tweeted.
With this expertise and based on original quotations from Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, Arnold Gehlen and Martin Heidegger, he conclusively demonstrates that the truly racist thing is not racism, but the naming of racism. As the three fundamental evils of the 21st century he therefore describes exaggerated "political correctness", digital net feminism on the internet, and the divorce from his ninth wife. Even before the interview is over, the great intellectual receives a lifetime award from a Swiss newspaper.

14. The other freerider

A former civil servant with political ambitions describes the great intellectual as a "extremist leftist babblebitch". The reason: racism does not exist because it's scientifically proven that there are no human races. Anyone who fabulates of such left-leftist inventions had the overthrow of the Reich by extremist leftist conspirators like the Merkel CDU
in mind.

15. The final

A group of non-relevant and non-specialist old white men investigate on their own behalf if anything racist is to be found anywhere. In a nine-hour press conference, the result is presented to the world public. It is, in summary: no.

 

* CDU MP Carsten Linnemann suggested this week that only kids who speak sufficient German to follow class should be admitted to elementary school.


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