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[Yama]

From live video it seems that firefighters have made some progress - fire in front towers has been apparently extinguished and it does not have spred further into structure. Also I presume that much of the flammable material has already been burned out.

[sunday]

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The Catholic church is generally perceived to consist of actual Catholics. No less than 54 monastic orders were dissolved with over 20000 of its members fleeing abroad. Individual Catholics not in monastic orders or the priesthood were also persecuted. Thousands of Catholic schools were closed and religious instruction in school was forbidden. Chaplains were removed from the army and later the navy, including those in military hospitals. Soldiers were prohibited from membership of Catholic associations. Moreover, Combes had Masonic lodges construct spy rings to closely observe Catholic military officers and to prevent their promotion in the hierarchy.

There was the Vendeé genocide, also.

[sunday]

From live video it seems that firefighters have made some progress - fire in front towers has been apparently extinguished and it does not have spred further into structure. Also I presume that much of the flammable material has already been burned out.

The internal structure of the twin front towers is wood.

[Mikel2]

I got to see Notre Dame by accident last year (Airline left me stranded in Paris). How tragic this is

[DKTanker]

French prosecutors have declared the fire not deliberately set and was accidental.  They also say they'll conduct an investigation to confirm their conclusion.

[JasonJ]

Sad to see the images of it burning. It'll be restored no doubt but a proper restoration is going to take years.

[Brian Kennedy]

https://twitter.com/...844987293487104

[Jeff]

French prosecutors have declared the fire not deliberately set and was accidental.  They also say they'll conduct an investigation to confirm their conclusion.

 

Cart => horse

[Murph]

Tragic, just tragic a loss for all mankind.

[Mikel2]

It is surprising that a national treasure like Notre Dame was so lacking in fire-fighting systems. The reaction from the fire department doesn't appear to have been stellar either.

[R011]

Tragic, but as has been noted, a number of historic cathedrals were destroyed in the 1940s and have been rebuilt. It's probably worth the money to rebuild just for tourism's sake.

[Mikel2]

Tragic, but as has been noted, a number of historic cathedrals were destroyed in the 1940s and have been rebuilt. It's probably worth the money to rebuild just for tourism's sake.

 

They are surprisingly robust structures (Cologne here)

 

 

It's the countless pieces of art that have vanished that will be most difficult to replace.  I wonder how much the building suffered during the French Revolution, as the Temple of Reason.

[Harold Jones]

It is surprising that a national treasure like Notre Dame was so lacking in fire-fighting systems. The reaction from the fire department doesn't appear to have been stellar either.

 

This thread might prove instructive https://twitter.com/...847726786371585

[DKTanker]

 

It's the countless pieces of art that have vanished that will be most difficult to replace.  I wonder how much the building suffered during the French Revolution, as the Temple of Reason.

 

A firefighter was quoted as saying all the magnificent stained glass windows were lost.

 

Edit:  Having just seen some interior post-fire photos, at least some of the windows remain intact.

Edited by DKTanker, 15 April 2019 - 1954 PM.

[Simon Tan]

You can rebuild. See Tsarskoye Selo.

[R011]

 

It's the countless pieces of art that have vanished that will be most difficult to replace.

 

 

Apparently the art, which likely includes the reliquaries etc. has been saved.

[DesertEagle]

What a sad story. Notre Dame is more than a cathedral or tourist spot. The square in front is point zero in France. I've visited a few times, always enjoying the walk up the narrow staircase to one of the towers. Everything about Notre Dame from the architecture to the organ and the gargoyles is fascinating. At least one firefighter was injured seriously. Hope for a full recovery.

[Harold Jones]

 

 

It's the countless pieces of art that have vanished that will be most difficult to replace.

 

 

Apparently the art, which likely includes the reliquaries etc. has been saved.

 

I was wondering if they decided that there was no way to effectively fight the fire on the roof and decided to give priority to getting the art out and held back on dumping water on it until the art was safe.

[Mobius]

All these museums with irreplaceable items should have non-water fire extinguishers that the average computer room of the 1980s had.

[Martin M]

Pretty big building for automatic extinguisher system.

 

It seems to me :

Construction work with welding and cutting and no after work fire watch or even temporary fire detection equipment put up.  Pretty careless and unprofessional for such an important building.

 

 

(Fire during / after construction work should be a major fire cause in statistics. Also a good time for deliberate action.)

Edited by Martin M, 16 April 2019 - 0126 AM.