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#1 TOW-2

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Posted 05 March 2018 - 1710 PM

Simply amazing!  They've found the USS Lexington wreck in 9000m of water.  Just astounding.

 

 

In the video there's a TBD that looks a couple days' repair short of being flown off!


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Posted 06 March 2018 - 0251 AM

I wish they now took up the really big challenge of finding the Kido Butai wrecks off Midway. They should ahave a viable starting point at least for Kaga from Ballard's expoedition (piece of aft side), though the wrecks are not exactly well documented given even the DD captains did not like the idea of scuttling them too much...
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#3 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 06 March 2018 - 0626 AM

Its a war grave, but there ought to be some consideration of recovering some of the aircraft, some of which appear to be unique and appear to retain their original. There are no complete Devastators in any US museums, and reportedly there has been a WIldcat flown by  Albert O. Vorse Jr identified.

 

Bit of a stretch from that deep I guess, and they dont look like they are deteriorating much so maybe its a case of waiting for the technology to catch up.


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Posted 06 March 2018 - 0803 AM

Minor correction, depth of the wreck is 3000m.


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Posted 06 March 2018 - 0813 AM

Just shy of 10000 feet. Not an easy lift.


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Posted 06 March 2018 - 0936 AM

It seems the tech challenge would be the 'capture', with minimal damage to the fragile airframes.  As light as they are, the lift should be relatively simple.  Then comes the preservation...


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Posted 06 March 2018 - 0938 AM

Yeah, you would want a big tank ready to put them in.

 

Still, seems the last chanced to get a Devastator in a museum. Not that they were that great in their intended role, but its more about celebrating the crews who fought in them.


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Posted 06 March 2018 - 0950 AM

Maybe some sort of platform lowered next to a plane, then a manned vehicle to gently grapple and move it onto said platform, for lift.

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When the TBD was first issued, it was the best torpedo bomber in the world, but was quickly rendered obsolete by the march of progress.  Still, with a decent torpedo and absent the tragic co-ordination problems at Midway, her legacy might have been better.


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Posted 06 March 2018 - 1130 AM

Its too bad it never got its own Pearl Harbour or a Taranto. I always thought it was a nice looking plane. I remember being a Monogram kit of it as a kid.
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Posted 06 March 2018 - 1302 PM

Minor correction, depth of the wreck is 3000m.

 

Thanks, in my haste I conflated feet and meters (roughly).


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Posted 06 March 2018 - 1347 PM

Its too bad it never got its own Pearl Harbour or a Taranto. I always thought it was a nice looking plane. I remember being a Monogram kit of it as a kid.


That's way too surreal for me Stuart ☺
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Posted 06 March 2018 - 1355 PM

Well if you think about it, imagine we got lend lease a year earlier, and we had taken the opportunity to use Devastators to replace Swordfish. I love the old Stringbag, but its hard not to think of a Devastator as trading up. It might have done well at Taranto.

 

As for Pearl Harbour, I mean that imagine the Americans finding out what the IJN planned and getting their shots in first. I mean, I suspect we are in Harry Turtledove levels of fiction here, but run with it. :)


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Posted 06 March 2018 - 1401 PM

As noted, the TBD found itself in service at the perfectly wrong time. The Avenger had already by type classified as its replacement.
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Posted 06 March 2018 - 1416 PM

...and Avengers did not really shine until the issues with Mk.13 launch envelope were rectified - after all there is little difference whether you have to flay extremely low and slow in Swordfish, Devastator or Avenger...
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Posted 06 March 2018 - 1432 PM

Avenger had a big problem in that it didnt have dive brakes. Later in the war when the IJN was a done deal, they had difficulty in using them as level bombers, or so I read.

 

Classy bit of kit though. I mean, even the Aliens collect them you know. :)


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Posted 06 March 2018 - 1525 PM

More close-ups of the aircraft:

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Posted 06 March 2018 - 1526 PM

According to one facebook poster, the inverted aircraft "T4" in the last photograph is his Grandfather's plane!  Far out if true!


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Posted 07 March 2018 - 0452 AM

Stuart, I saw the airshow at Duxford in 2011 and they had all the Grumman fighters, F4f, F6F, F8F.


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Posted 07 March 2018 - 1809 PM

Well if you think about it, imagine we got lend lease a year earlier, 

 

Stuart, re-read what you actually wrote :)

 

"I remember being a Monogram kit of it as a kid."


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Posted 07 March 2018 - 1846 PM

Its too bad it never got its own Pearl Harbour or a Taranto. I always thought it was a nice looking plane. I remember being a Monogram kit of it as a kid.

Must have been after I got out of scale modeling.  I built all the Monogram models of WWII naval planes, but never saw a Devastator kit.


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