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#461 Simon Tan

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Posted Yesterday, 01:33 AM

That looks suspiciously like an excuse to buy a Spanish holiday villa. 

 

The Chinese absolutely want the stocks to be detachable like on a C96. There is no point in a pistol carbine if the stock isn't detachable. Don't ask me why, they just want it that way.

 

On the matter of the delegations, we have a semi-permanent presence in the Grand Hotel Tankovina with one of their small ballrooms almost permanently filled with weapons of all sorts. The General Manager appreciates the business but is getting a lot of trouble in trying to keep curious guests away. It has been suggested that a permanent showroom with visitor lodgings be constructed for the benefit of our clients. Beretta in Val Trompia has just such an arrangement. Additionally we can host other non-competing manufacturers to showcase their products.

 

Isn't the Thompson considered a 'gangster gun'? Perhaps Savage would like to be our distributor.

 

Has Lokomotiv decided whether they want to merge their gun business with Spartacus? 


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Posted Yesterday, 05:41 AM

 

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Posted Yesterday, 08:52 AM

The Eibar region is in Basque, a region that has its attractions but as a resort destination the Black Sea coast beats it by a country mile. In any case the point of the acquisition of a local firm is to gain leverage over potential licensees should Spain adopt the M1922.

 

The Chinese are beginning to rob our last nerves. First they can’t make up their minds, then they demand all sorts of silly modifications, before and now after the fact. A detachable stock makes even less sense than a 1,000 meter sight because the idea of shooting a machine carbine without a shoulder stock … Well, it’s their money and we need some upfront before we spend time and resources on this.

 

With regard to sales in the USA we don’t need to get one of their arms manufacturers as an intermediary. We could approach mail order sellers like the Francis Bannerman or Sears and Roebuck ourselves. Ideally we should place our adverts next the Auto Ordnance’s. The M1921 is any eye catcher and difference in prices would be impossible to overlook.

 

Locomotice has no objections to a merger with Spartacus.


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Posted Yesterday, 10:33 AM

Why a desire to get a Thompson?

Caliber with it's rainbow trajectory prevents it from any meaningful effective range, recoil will be worse than 9mm further degrading effective range, stock has atrocious positioning and it costs more than a good car.


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Posted Yesterday, 10:41 AM

But it absolutely rocks in firefights inside crowded elevators!
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Posted Yesterday, 01:44 PM

In Tankovia, man who has Chicago typewriter is king!


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Posted Yesterday, 01:58 PM

Why a desire to get a Thompson?

Caliber with it's rainbow trajectory prevents it from any meaningful effective range, recoil will be worse than 9mm further degrading effective range, stock has atrocious positioning and it costs more than a good car.

 

It looks really outstanding and so far American customers didn't have an alternative. 

 

We'll not offer the M1922, -23 and -25 in .22lr, 9mm Luger and .45 ACP because this caliber is far more popular in the USA than 9mm Luger. The .22lr version is already being worked on. It was suggested as a means of reducing the cost of training by more than one police organization that selected the M1922 for trials. All version in all calibers will continue to use the same stock and receiver. Magazines will be for 10, 20 and 50 rounds. The latter is a drum magazine.

 

The firm of Berkov and  McGregor has been chosen as our agents in the USA. They’ll act as the importer and handle day to day contacts with American retailers. At their suggestion we’ll pay Sears and Roebuck extra to put our machine carbines on display in department stores in selected cities across the USA. They will also present our guns to American police departments.

 

The first batch of guns will include 300 M1923 and 300 M1925. One third in 9mm, the rest in .45 ACP. A .22 version will be offered if we get guns adopted and the customer requests a .22 version for training. Of the M1922 we’ll ship 3,000. One third each in .22lr, 9mm and .45 ACP,  We expect to sell them to private individuals.

 

We will keep you informed of any new developments. 


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Posted Yesterday, 03:36 PM

The Eibar region is in Basque, a region that has its attractions but as a resort destination the Black Sea coast beats it by a country mile. In any case the point of the acquisition of a local firm is to gain leverage over potential licensees should Spain adopt the M1922.

 

The Chinese are beginning to rob our last nerves. First they can’t make up their minds, then they demand all sorts of silly modifications, before and now after the fact. A detachable stock makes even less sense than a 1,000 meter sight because the idea of shooting a machine carbine without a shoulder stock … Well, it’s their money and we need some upfront before we spend time and resources on this.

 

With regard to sales in the USA we don’t need to get one of their arms manufacturers as an intermediary. We could approach mail order sellers like the Francis Bannerman or Sears and Roebuck ourselves. Ideally we should place our adverts next the Auto Ordnance’s. The M1921 is any eye catcher and difference in prices would be impossible to overlook.

 

Locomotice has no objections to a merger with Spartacus.

 

The detachable stocks are to get around import restrictions in china. Pistols are allowed, rifles not.

 

 

the proposed merger to form FNT (Fabrica Nazionala Tankovina)?


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Posted Yesterday, 03:58 PM

 

 

The detachable stocks are to get around import restrictions in china. Pistols are allowed, rifles not.

 

 

the proposed merger to form FNT (Fabrica Nazionala Tankovina)?

 

 

The Arms Embargo of 1919 has been put on China by various nations but Tankovia wasn't one of them. 

 

Fabrika Natsionalna Tankovia or short FN Tankovia. Oh, yeees please! Let's cross fingers that FN isn't a registered trademark in the USA. I bet it is. 


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Posted Yesterday, 09:02 PM

The Thompson is an excellent dumbbell and doorstop with a small magazine and a high cyclic rate. I had one put on the firing line for the Chinese and let them compare it to the M1925. Simply shouldering the weapon and sighting in the gun was an effort with the Thompson. Of course the M1925 was fitted with a Export Model stock which is shortened to better fit the Asiatic user so they were able to better control the weapon. Indeed I personally prefer the Export stock as it allows me to shoot it more like a game shotgun rather than a gallery rifle. This of course had a direct impact on their ability to shoot the gun well and with the better characteristics meant they were enthusiastically breaking clay pigeons. 

 

Consolidating the various arms making enterprises goes against established policy. Locomotive and Spartacus is driven primarily by the increasing primary workload of Lokomotiv on tanks and armored vehicles.

 

A joint export and marketing entity is however possible. 


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