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#17141 Tim the Tank Nut

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 0812 AM

Epoch Times is covering it


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#17142 glenn239

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 0836 AM

I saw a piece on FOX covering it yesterday evening.


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Posted 24 January 2020 - 1044 AM

OK, so we have a 2nd Amendment right for firearms which is not respected across state lines, but yet the sin of homosexual marriage is. THE ABSOLUTELY WORSE thing in this nation, and this world is today's version of liberalism.! AKA socialism.

 

It's more far reaching than that. The federal law SPECIFICALLY states that traveling from an origin to a destination with firearms, even if the interim locations are not legal locales, one is allowed to do so. This means that what happens is you land in New York, you're held over, they send you to a hotel. You go back to the airport, check your luggage, you're arrested, your trip is ruined, you spend a day or 5 in jail, you get a court date, the judge reads the details, your attorney points out federal law and the judge dismisses the case. Then you can go home, and maybe, after a few years arguing, realize that you can't get your guns back from the City of New York or the Port Authority, because they've 'destroyed' them. 

Traveling by car carries similar risks. Reenactors have been arrested for having an M1 Garand in their car when traveling through New Jersey too. There have been WWII events in New York state that I specifically avoid because of all this. Supposedly it's fine to go to Odessa. But Given the risks and the costs, I just avoid those events. The collins Foundation Events in Massachusetts carry similar risks. 

This happen repeatedly. Both in New York and New Jersey. Your behavior is legal. Their police don't care. They'll jack you up becuase they can. And you're little people. 


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#17144 Stefan Fredriksson

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 1206 PM

OK, so we have a 2nd Amendment right for firearms which is not respected across state lines, but yet the sin of homosexual marriage is. THE ABSOLUTELY WORSE thing in this nation, and this world is today's version of liberalism.! AKA socialism.

Do you honestly think gay marriages is the worst thing currently in the US?

Another thing I have been meaning to ask you.
I saw a clip of Trump where he was asked about the bible. The reporters wanted to know his favorite quote/verse. He did not cite any at all, said it was "personal". When asked if he liked the old or new testament more, he replied "both".
I have seem you quote the bible several times, and I am guessing you know which testament you prefer?
Do you believe Trump has even read the bible?
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#17145 Mikel2

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 1221 PM

He does know about the two Corinthians.
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#17146 Jeff

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 1225 PM

 

And what the heck is up with the FISA court? They rubber stamped spying on a major party's presidential campaign based on obviously phony BS. Sorry, I'm not buying the dumb act and where is the contempt charges from them against the people who lied to them?

 

The simplest explanation is the most likeliest. They rubberstamp everything. If you have a court acting without public oversight, this is the expected outcome.

 

 

Exactly.


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Posted 24 January 2020 - 1426 PM

 

OK, so we have a 2nd Amendment right for firearms which is not respected across state lines, but yet the sin of homosexual marriage is. THE ABSOLUTELY WORSE thing in this nation, and this world is today's version of liberalism.! AKA socialism.

 

It's more far reaching than that. The federal law SPECIFICALLY states that traveling from an origin to a destination with firearms, even if the interim locations are not legal locales, one is allowed to do so. This means that what happens is you land in New York, you're held over, they send you to a hotel. You go back to the airport, check your luggage, you're arrested, your trip is ruined, you spend a day or 5 in jail, you get a court date, the judge reads the details, your attorney points out federal law and the judge dismisses the case. Then you can go home, and maybe, after a few years arguing, realize that you can't get your guns back from the City of New York or the Port Authority, because they've 'destroyed' them. 

Traveling by car carries similar risks. Reenactors have been arrested for having an M1 Garand in their car when traveling through New Jersey too. There have been WWII events in New York state that I specifically avoid because of all this. Supposedly it's fine to go to Odessa. But Given the risks and the costs, I just avoid those events. The collins Foundation Events in Massachusetts carry similar risks. 

This happen repeatedly. Both in New York and New Jersey. Your behavior is legal. Their police don't care. They'll jack you up becuase they can. And you're little people. 

 

 

What Americans don't seem to notice is that they're lacking in all their "freedom!!!" what the German constitution has to offer:

A constitutional protection of property (with a little restriction, but the starting point is that property is protected).

 

There are many stories of sheriffs in the U.S. simply seizing / stealing stuff, up to the point of taking money and adding it to their budget.

You get appalled when guns get seized, but there are much more appalling cases.

https://www.insideed...t-airport-58011

https://www.national...-to-pad-budget/

https://www.washingt...ey-went-public/

 

I keep seeing cases and complaints where I tell myself that this is what happens if you lack such a constitutional protection of property.


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#17148 Tim the Tank Nut

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 1435 PM

we get thoroughly appalled when any property is seized.  Since the media in this nation is of the Left they minimize any seizure by the Left and it goes by with minimal reporting.  Our own IRS has very nearly set the standard for illicit seizure but the Law Enforcement community is a close second.

Then there is the ubiquitous Eminent Domain which represents the government directly taking private property for profit.

It's inexcusable but that is what happens when the Left gets power. As Ronald Reagan so eloquently put it: "Government is the problem"

 

Vaguely I can recall some unpleasantness in Europe that involved German taking of personal property.  Where was the vaunted constitutional protection then?


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Posted 24 January 2020 - 1437 PM

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 1440 PM

The US has a constitutional protection for private property. Unfortunately, the courts have "legislated from the bench" to build a body of case law excusing improprieties.

 

While our Founding Fathers saw the need to place limits on executive power, they failed to put in enough safeguards around the judiciary (IMHO).


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Posted 24 January 2020 - 1442 PM

 

OK, so we have a 2nd Amendment right for firearms which is not respected across state lines, but yet the sin of homosexual marriage is. THE ABSOLUTELY WORSE thing in this nation, and this world is today's version of liberalism.! AKA socialism.

Do you honestly think gay marriages is the worst thing currently in the US?

Another thing I have been meaning to ask you.
I saw a clip of Trump where he was asked about the bible. The reporters wanted to know his favorite quote/verse. He did not cite any at all, said it was "personal". When asked if he liked the old or new testament more, he replied "both".
I have seem you quote the bible several times, and I am guessing you know which testament you prefer?
Do you believe Trump has even read the bible?

What's more telling is how someone acts.  Who cares what verses one can recite if their actions don't reflect the beliefs they supposedly hold.  With that in mind Trump doesn't get a passing grade by any means, even during his Presidency, but I think you'll find his supporters will defend him because they feel his accomplishments have been the most supportive of Christianity compared to previous Presidents (which is certainly up for debate).


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#17152 Skywalkre

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 1459 PM

we get thoroughly appalled when any property is seized.  Since the media in this nation is of the Left they minimize any seizure by the Left and it goes by with minimal reporting.  Our own IRS has very nearly set the standard for illicit seizure but the Law Enforcement community is a close second.

Then there is the ubiquitous Eminent Domain which represents the government directly taking private property for profit.

It's inexcusable but that is what happens when the Left gets power. As Ronald Reagan so eloquently put it: "Government is the problem"

I don't understand what you're saying here, Tim, with the two bolded bits.  Seizure by the Left and the Law Encorcement community?  Are you telling me most LE agencies in this country are Left leaning?  That doesn't make any sense at all.

 

Most of the seizures we hear about come from laws on the book enacted to help fight the War on Drugs.  Those laws were pushed in large part by Republican politicians with good intent.  Unfortunately those laws have been left alone and corrputed over the years to be little more than a quasi-legal form of theft by LE agencies.  None of this has anything to do with the Left and everything to do with politicians failing to address future ramifications of poorly thought out and written law.

 

I've been meaning to reply to a post that's now several pages old but this brings up a good opportunity.  A while back you mentioned in a lamenting tone how we'll never have another politician like Trump.  Still, to this day, I don't get what all the love is for him around here on TN.

 

Back during the Obama years there was a lot of fair criticism being thrown at him for the cult of personality that surrounded him.  His actions be damned, he was Obama and that's all that mattered.  Here, in the next Presidency, we have Trump with very little to show for with this accomplishments (like Obama) yet we have multiple folks here on TN bemoaning how we'll never have another President like him.  It's the same cult of personality but for 'our guy'... so why is it ok here but worthy of criticism before?

 

Take the issue above.  LE seizure of property under the guise of possibly being drug related has been an issue in this country for decades.  Trump and the Rs could have addressed it the first two years he was in office and they controlled the Congress but they didn't... if Trump is this amazing POTUS why wasn't it?  We have posts in various other threads about state officials seizing guns against Federal law and owners never getting them back, of corrupt Federal bureaucracies/agencies and nothing being done to clean them up, a thread about our broken upper education system and role Fed loans play in that... there's a lot of shit out there that needs fixing and supposedly we have one of the greatest R Presidents ever (in a poll mentioned a few months back a third of all Rs think Trump is better than Lincoln... :blink: ) and yet nothing's getting done.

 

So... why all the love?  I'm genuinely curious.  He's had two real accomplishments that will last while he's been in office - the tax bill and his court appointees.  I was looking up the latter and he's actually on track to appoint fewer than Carter did in his one term so even that's not as much an accomplishment as some have made it out to be.


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#17153 MiloMorai

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 1505 PM

Best to fact check anything the Trump says.


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#17154 Tim the Tank Nut

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 1556 PM

In our area law enforcement can take property when there are drugs involved.  If the presence of drugs is only remotely related to the property it can still be taken.  This is not right.  I detest drugs, drug sellers, drug abusers, etc and would have no problem with crucifixion as a sentence but once you start down the path of reneging on property rights everything else comes apart.

 

I remain a steadfast Trump fan.  There are many things I wish he would do.  Many things that he could have done in the first two years were stymied by the fact that he was still learning the job (steep curve) and by the fact that the Republican Beltway had no interest in working with him on anything that may disrupt the gravy train.

I really thought he should have gone to the gun march in VA.  He'd have been safer there than anywhere.  Something like a 20,000 man guard...

Also, word is that his Secret Service detail is fond of him. That counts in my book.


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Posted 24 January 2020 - 1610 PM

 

"Get rid of her!" is what the voice that appears to be Trump’s is heard saying. "Get her out tomorrow. I don't care. Get her out tomorrow. Take her out. OK? Do it."

https://abcnews.go.c...ory?id=68506437

 

That's how a (stupid) mob boss would order a murder.

A president who would want an ambassador replaced would simply tell his the nation's Secretary of State to recall the ambassador.

 

 

It's beyond ridiculous. Republicans would have voted for impeachment of Obama 20 times and on top of that would loudly call for article 25 to be used if Obama had done a tine fraction of what the lying moron did.

 

And even the staunchest right wingers here know it. They know that it's only their hyperpartisanship that lets them side with this crooked lying moron. They would never even only tolerate him if he was an Independent, let alone Democrat. They know it. Hypocrites, 100% hypocrites.


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Posted 24 January 2020 - 1634 PM

Best to fact check anything the Trump any politician says. (fixed that for you)


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Posted 24 January 2020 - 1754 PM

 

Best to fact check anything the Trump any politician says. (fixed that for you)

 

True but especially with Trump. It is said he has now over 16,000 lies/false statements.


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Posted 24 January 2020 - 1757 PM

"There are many things I wish he would do.  Many things that he could have done in the first two years were stymied by the fact that he was still learning the job (steep curve) and by the fact that the Republican Beltway had no interest in working with him on anything that may disrupt the gravy train."
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And the fact that he wouldn't accept their experience.
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Posted 24 January 2020 - 1831 PM

What Americans don't seem to notice is that they're lacking in all their "freedom!!!" what the German constitution has to offer:

A constitutional protection of property (with a little restriction, but the starting point is that property is protected).

 

Yeah, except that asset forfeiture is also codified law in Germany, it's just that the police can't use it to finance their own operations.


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Posted 25 January 2020 - 0508 AM

 

OK, so we have a 2nd Amendment right for firearms which is not respected across state lines, but yet the sin of homosexual marriage is. THE ABSOLUTELY WORSE thing in this nation, and this world is today's version of liberalism.! AKA socialism.

Do you honestly think gay marriages is the worst thing currently in the US?

Another thing I have been meaning to ask you.
I saw a clip of Trump where he was asked about the bible. The reporters wanted to know his favorite quote/verse. He did not cite any at all, said it was "personal". When asked if he liked the old or new testament more, he replied "both".
I have seem you quote the bible several times, and I am guessing you know which testament you prefer?

 

Do you honestly think gay marriages is the worst thing currently in the US? 

To answer this, first re-read posts 17130 and 17143 one sentence at a time. In a nutshell, these two posts reveal how state/local government cripples a constitutional right. Re-read it again for the expense, time, and effort it takes for the individual (or group of reenactors) to have the local government recognize the obvious. It is obvious rmgill is speaking from experience.

Now juxtapose this with the sin of homosexual marriage. Does New York and other wretchedly liberal states make homosexual marriage as difficult as the Second Amendment? Has the following happen in New York as it happen to this heroine in Kentucky?

Rowan County, Kentucky clerk Kim Davis morally declined the governor and a federal court to provide a marriage license to a homosexual couple.  On September 3, 2015, Davis was arrested and jailed for refusing the court order. Five days later, she was released from jail. On September 14, 2015, Davis returned to her county clerk office and still refused to provide marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

 

I saw a clip of Trump where he was asked about the bible. The reporters wanted to know his favorite quote/verse. He did not cite any at all, said it was "personal". When asked if he liked the old or new testament more, he replied "both". Do you believe Trump has even read the bible?

I will answer your question if you'll answer mine. Have you read the Bible? Hint -- you will answer your own question.

 

Do you honestly think gay marriages is the worst thing currently in the US? 

 Liberalism is the "...worst thing...in the U.S." Homosexuality is a part of "this worse thing."


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