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#11801 Paul G.

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Posted 17 June 2019 - 0709 AM

They have become activists and stopped being journalists.


Journalism has had an evolving business model. The first 100 years of this country's history of journalism was about rank opinion peices. There was no "hard news" papers. Hard news was local. Not until the "Muckrakers" of the early 20th century did investigative journalism become a marketable product. During WWI and WWII the MSM was basically an organ of the State. The Post War journalism business model championed credibility and authority, but that took a hit during the Vietnam and Nixon era. Now big media companies are cashing in on the political polarization they helped create. Welcome to the free market.
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#11802 Panzermann

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Posted 17 June 2019 - 0722 AM

Words matter, and it's one thing revolutionaries do all the time. They take common words and redefine them to fit their agenda. They use this tactic to take arguments away from their opponents by ensuring that descriptive terms for what they are doing become unacceptable, and thus no longer able to be discussed, and they steal common use words to use as weapons against others. Seems minor, but over time a society can be redefined by the language it uses.

 

A minor case in point is the name for those who tell us the news.

 

Once upon a time they were called "Reporters", and now they are not.

 

It's been discussed here before. My opinion is that reporters report - "just the facts, ma'am" - if you will.

 

Journalists write a journal. That journal is allowed to include the thoughts and opinions of the writer. That you have a "journalism school" not a "reporter school" tells the story.

 

If you're a reporter, you have to be a good descriptive writer to make your story stand out. The aim is to allow the reader to form their own opinion based on the events you've described, and for that you have a duty to report everything to the best of your ability,

 

If you're a journalist, you start with the opinion you want to form, or the impression you want to give, then create the story to do that. If that means avoiding inconvenient facts, or the creative addition of "fake but accurate" information, or just plain opinions of your own, that's just fine. The aim is to manipulate people into an opinion, not to inform them so that they can form their own.

 

Journalists also talk about their stories instead of reports.​ they sell stories. Which is also telling imho. To have articles coloured by the writers perspective and impressions has a place, but as you say, is by definition not a report.

 

 

And also what Paul g. writes above this post. Outragous headlines  still sell best and all media firms are in a struggle to earn money nowadays with the market changing, the shift to the WWW etc. In a way all have shifted to a yellow press model of crazy headlines and clickbait to attract readers and viewers.


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#11803 rmgill

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Posted 17 June 2019 - 0732 AM

Strange then that he can't see how they're threatened by the shifting market and why they're behaving badly as a result. 


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#11804 Murph

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Posted 17 June 2019 - 1304 PM

 

Now more is coming out on the Seth Rich murder and the Mueller report (and its massive number of inaccuracies):  https://www.redstate...ch-murder-case/    

 

SO who murdered him?  Clinton?  The DNC?  CIA/NSA/FBI?  

 


 

Assange: Whistle blowers go to significant efforts to get us material and often very significant risks. There’s a 27-year-old – works for the DNC – who was shot in the back, murdered, just a few weeks ago for unknown reasons as he was walking down the street in Washington, so….

Lazare said, “This was as close as Assange could come to confirming that Rich was tied up with the leak without actually saying it. Hours later, WikiLeaks tweeted about the $20k reward.”


Rosenthal: That was just a robbery, I believe, wasn’t it?

Assange: No, there’s no finding, so –

Rosenthal: What are you suggesting?

Assange: I’m suggesting that our sources take risks, and they become concerned to see things occurring like that.

Rosenthal: But was he one of your sources then? I mean –

Assange: We don’t comment about who our sources are.

Rosenthal: But why make the suggestion about a young guy being shot in the streets of Washington?

Assange: Because we have to understand how high the stakes are in the United States and that our sources, you know, face serious risks. That’s why they come to us – so we can protect their anonymity.

Rosenthal: But it’s quite something to suggest a murder. That’s basically what you’re doing.

Later in 2016, Murray (Assange’s spokesman) told the Libertarian Institute’s Scott Horton: “Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that he [Rich] was the source of the leaks. What I’m saying is that it’s probably not an unfair indication to draw that WikiLeaks believe[s] that he may have been killed by someone who thought he was the source of the leaks.”

The article goes into some detail about efforts to investigate the case by journalists. His article can be viewed here.

Lazare points out that, according to the chronology found in Mueller’s report, if the Russians had hacked the DNC server, they would have had only “four days to review some 28,000 emails and other electronic documents to make sure that they were genuine and unaltered – a clear impossibility.” (See “The ‘Guccifer 2.0’ Gaps in Mueller’s Full Report,” April 18.)

In conclusion, the police have not solved the murder, at least they have not offered any information about it publicly. Calling this a Russian hack rather than an inside job fits their narrative. The DNC would not even allow the FBI to look at their server after the “hacking.” And finally, there have been three clear instances of deliberate misinformation discovered in the Mueller Report so far.

This is not over.

 

Again, who murdered him? Hmmmm?  Clinton?  DNC?  FBI/NSA/CIA?


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#11805 Nobu

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Posted 17 June 2019 - 1512 PM

A consumer base that is no longer willing to pay for its news is going to get the journalism it deserves. The cost of not being willing to pay for it is acceptance of its manipulation by those providing it.


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#11806 Panzermann

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Posted 17 June 2019 - 1638 PM

A consumer base that is no longer willing to pay for its news is going to get the journalism it deserves. The cost of not being willing to pay for it is acceptance of its manipulation by those providing it.

 

Newspapaers and magazines have long ago been taken over by advertisement revenue. I don't know when really. Sixties maybe? the current situation with the WWW has only magnified the problem and the print media has spoiled thier buyers by putting nearly all of their content openly "for free" on their websites. And today no one is willing to pay actual money.  :mellow:


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#11807 Ssnake

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Posted 17 June 2019 - 1805 PM

In Germany, Springer makes more money with whatever passes their muster as online "news" than with the rags that they print every day. Some people clearly are willing to pay, though maybe not for quality reporting. :P


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#11808 MiloMorai

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Posted 17 June 2019 - 1828 PM

OK it is click bait but the salaries these TV 'reporters' make are outrageous. https://www.lifestyl...y-surprise-you/

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For CNN:

Anderson Cooper – $11m

Wolf Blitzer – $5m

Erin Burnett – $3m

Chris Cuomo – $2.5m

Christiane Amanpour – $2m

Brooke Baldwin – $1.5m

Kate Bolduan – $200k


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#11809 Nobu

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Posted 17 June 2019 - 1829 PM

We, as consumers of news, get what we pay for, unfortunately. Until that changes, the bulk of what is available will continue its slide toward one form of agenda-driven content versus another.


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Posted 17 June 2019 - 2359 PM

OK it is click bait but the salaries these TV 'reporters' make are outrageous. https://www.lifestyl...y-surprise-you/

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For CNN:

Anderson Cooper – $11m

Wolf Blitzer – $5m

Erin Burnett – $3m

Chris Cuomo – $2.5m

Christiane Amanpour – $2m

Brooke Baldwin – $1.5m

Kate Bolduan – $200k

 

I don't know if it's more outrageous than any arbitrary, mainly man, athlete's salary. (or any part of the Kardashian family for that matter)

 

We as a race are obviously very depending on celebrities in all forms.

 

 

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#11811 Rick

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Posted 18 June 2019 - 0442 AM

Although obviously liberal, NPR (National Public Radio) or as I believe Jeff called it (National Pretentious Radio) is "reporting" type of news. The most accurate and honest is obviously Moody Radio, especially host Janet Parshall. 


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#11812 Murph

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Posted 18 June 2019 - 0451 AM

Judicial Watch keeps uncovering the dirt on the Obama Regime, and its illegal attempt to overthrow President Trump.  Looks like the rot is worse than we imagined, and hopefully Mr. Durham will send lots of people to prison in order to restore faith in the American system.  https://www.breitbar...ump-coup-cabal/  No matter what the Tanknet Deep State cabal says, this stuff is real, corrupt, and needs long prison terms.  Or better yet for Treason the death penalty for certain bad actors no matter how high it goes.  

 

 

Judicial Watch now has received more evidence of this anti-Trump conspiracy. With The Daily Caller News Foundation, they just released 16 pages of documents revealing senior State Obama officials – Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and Special Coordinator for Libya Jonathan Winer – coordinated with incoming House Majority Whip Steny Hoyer’s (D-MD) national security advisor, Daniel Silverberg, to work on Russia dossier information provided by Christopher Steele.

Steele was surreptitiously paid by the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee to create the infamous anti-Trump dossier used to justify a series of FISA spy warrants targeting Carter Page. Winer is a former Obama State Department deputy assistant secretary who was implicated in working with Steele and Clinton associate Sidney Blumenthal to circulate the anti-Trump dossier.

Judicial Watch obtained the documents in a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit filed on April 25, 2018, on behalf of ourselves and The Daily Caller News Foundation against the State Department after it failed to respond to three separate FOIA requests (Judicial Watch v. U.S. Department of State (No. 1:18-cv- 00968)). The lawsuit seeks:

  • All records of communications between State Department officials, including former Secretary of State John Kerry, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, on the one hand, and British National Christopher Steele and/or employees or contractors of Steele’s company, Orbis Business Intelligence, on the other hand.
  • All records and/or memoranda provided by Christopher Steele and/or his firm Orbis Business Intelligence or by others acting on Steele’s/Orbis’s behalf, to State Department officials.
  • Any and all records in the custody of the State Department related to the provision of documents to British national Christopher Steele and/or his firm, Orbis Business Intelligence, or the receipt of documents from Steele or his firm.  Time period is January 20, 2009 through the present.
  • All records created in 2016 by Jonathan M. Winer relating to research compiled by Christopher Steele.

Here is some of what we learned from these documents.

In an email exchange on September 19, 2016, Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS asks Winer if he is “in town?” Winer replies “For a couple of hours.”

In an email exchange on September 26, 2016, Winer emails Nuland asking for “15 minutes of your time today if possible,” to discuss a “Russia related issue” from his “old O [Orbis Business Intelligence] friend.” Orbis was co-founded and run by Russia dossier author Christopher Steele. Nuland’s assistant suggests a secure call for the discussion and Winer asks his aide to postpone a meeting he was to have with the State Department Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) to accommodate.

In an exchange beginning in November 2016, Hoyer top-aide Silverberg emails a “thank you” to Nuland, calling her a “warrior on these issues” and stating that he looks forward to pursuing “some of the things we discussed yesterday, albeit on the system integrity side.” Nuland forwards this email to Winer who adds that he wants to talk about “some new info.”

From: Silverberg, Daniel [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:57 PM
To: Nuland, Victoria J
Subject: Thank you

Toria,

It was a delight to speak today, notwithstanding the context. You’ve been a warrior on these issues, and I look forward to speaking further to preserve and wherever possible strengthen the important work you have done. I’ll follow up regarding a possible working group meeting.

On Nov 29, 2016, at 10:07 AM, Nuland, Victoria J <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks, Daniel. I look forward to continuing our collaboration in whatever capacity life brings. Copied here is Jonathan Winer, who has some legal ideas that may be of interest to you and Cong. Hoyer.

From: Nuland, Victoria J
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 10:08 AM
To: Winer, Jonathan
Subject: RN: Thank you

They want to pursue some of the things we discussed yesterday, albeit on the system integrity side.

From: Winer, Jonathan
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 10:12 AM
To: Nuland, Victoria J
Subject: Re: Thank you

Want to talk briefly further. Some new info want you to be aware of. [Redacted] Phone call ok sometime this am? Five minutes is enough.

From: Nuland, Victoria J <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 10:23 AM
To: Winer, Jonathan <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Thank you

Of course, [redacted] Send me good number and time.

From: Silverberg, Daniel
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 10:52 AM
To: Nuland, Victoria J
Cc: Winer, Jonathan
Subject: Re: Thank you

Great. Jonathan, I am all ears.

From: Winer, Jonathan
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 2:10 PM
To: Silverberg, Daniel <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Thank you

I’ve reached out per our call yesterday. Please call me to talk further at your early convenience. Weekend best but can also talk Monday.


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#11813 Jeff

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Posted 18 June 2019 - 0620 AM

Judicial Watch has done more work getting info through FOIA requests than the Congressional committees have, even under Republicans.


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#11814 Murph

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Posted 18 June 2019 - 0626 AM

Judicial Watch has done more work getting info through FOIA requests than the Congressional committees have, even under Republicans.

So true, and they keep doing G_ds work in uncovering the corruption of the Obama Regime.  


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#11815 Paul G.

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Posted 18 June 2019 - 0630 AM

So much BS in that Brietbart "article" in the first few paragraphs. Stick to Fox & Friends Murph.
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#11816 MiloMorai

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Posted 18 June 2019 - 0807 AM

".Or better yet for Treason the death penalty for certain bad actors no matter how high it goes."

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The death penalty for Trump?


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#11817 Josh

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Posted 18 June 2019 - 1242 PM

Its not treason to ask a foreign power to help you win an election. We've covered that.

Edited by Josh, 18 June 2019 - 1242 PM.

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#11818 DKTanker

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Posted 18 June 2019 - 1308 PM

Its not treason to ask a foreign power to help you win an election. We've covered that.

If it was, going all the way back to at least Edward "Ted" Kennedy, Democrats would be filling prison cells.


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#11819 Murph

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Posted 18 June 2019 - 2022 PM

 

Its not treason to ask a foreign power to help you win an election. We've covered that.

If it was, going all the way back to at least Edward "Ted" Kennedy, Democrats would be filling prison cells.

 

True.  Murdering Teddy K.  What a man, what an icon of the left.


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Posted 19 June 2019 - 0516 AM

I was able to (finally) get home last night from a late work day, and caught the Trump Rally on YouTube, all I can say is WOW.  Keep America Great!   https://www.breitbar...ction-campaign/

 


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