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Steel Beasts Pro P E, Version 4.1

July 2019

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#1 Ssnake

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Posted 22 May 2019 - 1155 AM

As tank enthusiasts we all know about sabot petals and the danger zones that they create. Since that was on the development agenda for the latest iteration, we realized that there should be a way for us internally to visualize the behavior during the development process since they are so difficult to observe.

The example below isn't perfect yet, but still I figured it'd be worth sharing.

 

V4-1_PetalDangerZone_Viz.jpg

 

And who knows, we might make it a feature for the AAR. I think there's some educational value in this, at least for tanker padawans.


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Posted 23 May 2019 - 0019 AM

Sehr cool!


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Posted 23 May 2019 - 0412 AM

Have you modelled a Ranging Machine gun for this yet? Apologies if you have, Ive rather lost track with developments.


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Posted 23 May 2019 - 0442 AM

Technically the 106mm recoilless rifle has a ranging gun cal .50 ... but you can't use it directly, so it's rather inconsequential.

I suppose it MIGHT be something to use with the Centurion, but since we model the Sho't Kal as the stand-in and that one did away with the ranging gun (at least that's what I THINK), no luck there either.


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Posted 23 May 2019 - 0510 AM

Yeah, the Shot Kal didnt have an RMG. Most of them seem to have been converted from Mk5's (20 pounder armed ones) which didnt have any.

 

Oddly the Australians fitted RMG to their Mk5's which they used in Vietnam. More for an additional Coax than for gunnery. With the 20pdr you had enough ammunition to use the 3 round rule, and its not like they needed to kill tanks.

 

Anyway, just curious, thanks for that.


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Posted 23 May 2019 - 1019 AM

I gotta say though, the work on 4.1 was almost entirely about one thing, improving and solidifying the underlying simulation quality. This would be the common theme, if I were to summarize the last three years. I'll be illustrating this in the coming weeks with more examples. One area that largely eludes effective presentation is, sadly, AI that simply works. That is entirely unspectacular, but of course it's highly amusing to observe the failures (like that helicopter swarm flyby in the DCS thread). We aren't short of examples where the old pathfinding resulted in a number of silly behaviors (and no doubt the new version will still show a fair bit of silliness all around if you go looking for it). And of course, if you would contrast the two it would be obvious what progress has been made.

It still goes against the basic principle in marketing not to intentionally make your product look bad.

 

In the past you'd often enough have crashes between oncoming traffic lanes if there was the slightest obstacle on one lane, making the computer blindly veer into the other lane. Like, parked cars next to a road. or a dead vehicle blocking a bridge. Now they simply bypass the cars that aren't even on the road, or drive around the dead tank on the bridge. They no longer slide into wadis for driving too close to the edge. They don't necessarily get stuck in large areas with rock clusters, as long as there is a path through the maze, somehow (actually, they're too good at it now).

In short, a lot of things "just work".


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Posted 23 May 2019 - 1740 PM

Not an official video, but still...:

 


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Posted 24 May 2019 - 0710 AM

Wow nice work!


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Posted 24 May 2019 - 1622 PM

Eh, Grenny seems to want to steal all my thunder:

 

 

Then again, I probably would have completely forgotten half of the stuff that he mentions, so I guess it's still a net win to have cried "Update!", and let slip the hounds of propaganda war.


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Posted 26 May 2019 - 1717 PM

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Posted 27 May 2019 - 1745 PM

So, new terrain "engine", what does that mean if the original terrain source data remain unchanged?

The new engine was always intended to create "growth capacity" with respect to future improvements. But as a first step, we can now dig holes at runtime - with dozer blades, or in "fast mode" with explosives:

 


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Posted 28 May 2019 - 0259 AM

Dont you be going breaking my Salisbury Plain map. :)


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Posted 28 May 2019 - 0501 AM

Is that a challenge?


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Posted 28 May 2019 - 0519 AM

No, it was my attempt at levity. :D

 

As you seem to be introducing deformable terrain, is there going to be any limits to the size of crater? Im probably being overly ambitious looking to ADM's, but it looks to me as if you can model culvert bombs fairly well?


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Posted 28 May 2019 - 0820 AM

No, it was my attempt at levity. :D

 

Too late.

The video renders.


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Posted 28 May 2019 - 0822 AM

As you seem to be introducing deformable terrain, is there going to be any limits to the size of crater? Im probably being overly ambitious looking to ADM's, but it looks to me as if you can model culvert bombs fairly well?

 

We're at the very beginning of our work on deformable terrain. The technology is there, and here the limit of the crater size (performance considerations aside) is the size of the map. Naturally, the limit is more about what kind of explosive can you detonate, and that's limited by the IED munitions available and their parameters.

Right now the biggest IED you can place is 10x 2000lb Mk84 JDAM. Wanted to show it, but discovered a bug. Also, in the version that I used more houses will survive the bomb blast than would in real life, or will in the release version.


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Posted 28 May 2019 - 0848 AM

Are you going to have deformable houses with this as well? I wouldnt expect bombing of Caen effects, but deformable buildings and rubble strewn streets might be an interesting idea.

 

Thats good news on craters. I always regretted the removal of the antitank ditch tool, even if there was good reasons for it.


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Posted 28 May 2019 - 1025 AM

 

So, I didn't break Salisbury plains, but I know now where to conduct all other cratering experiments.  :P

 

 

Are you going to have deformable houses with this as well? I wouldnt expect bombing of Caen effects, but deformable buildings and rubble strewn streets might be an interesting idea.

 

Thats good news on craters. I always regretted the removal of the antitank ditch tool, even if there was good reasons for it.

 

The video is a good indicator of the building destruction (or, the lack of it); unfortunately nothing that we can change now or in the near future. Some of the guys are working on exactly that some related issues right now. And also no partial destruction. One day, but not this year.

 

(Things I learn in team meetings...)


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Posted 28 May 2019 - 1733 PM

As I'm Cancerian, you can be pretty sure what my birthday present is going to be :)


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Posted 29 May 2019 - 0210 AM

 

So, I didn't break Salisbury plains, but I know now where to conduct all other cratering experiments.  :P

 

 

Are you going to have deformable houses with this as well? I wouldnt expect bombing of Caen effects, but deformable buildings and rubble strewn streets might be an interesting idea.

 

Thats good news on craters. I always regretted the removal of the antitank ditch tool, even if there was good reasons for it.

 

The video is a good indicator of the building destruction (or, the lack of it); unfortunately nothing that we can change now or in the near future. Some of the guys are working on exactly that some related issues right now. And also no partial destruction. One day, but not this year.

 

(Things I learn in team meetings...)

 

Ok well thats fair enough, this is a very significant upgrade as it is.  Is there any limit to the amount of craters you can have in, say, a square mile? Im just idly wondering about carpet bombing.

 

Now, go and fill all those craters in. You are making the place look untidy. Tsk tsk. :)


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