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#1 Slater

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Posted 20 August 2008 - 1649 PM

http://www.armytimes...niform_082008w/

White shirts? I hope they don't start looking like shopping mall security dudes. :P
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Posted 20 August 2008 - 1726 PM

We have discussed this before. The blue uniform is a winner. That being said, those are some gruesome photos. Still too busy. Good idea, but poor execution.

Let's get rid of the divisional patches on the blues and keep them on the combat uniform. Get rid of the ribbons on the shirt. As much as I like the enlisted rank insignia sleeve (as on the gray-green shirt), it looks bad on the white shirt for some reason. Go for sew-on stripes. Could we make them branch-color please? The beret looks stupid on all uniforms, but really bad on the blue + white shirt. I have no proposed solution. Why did we go for a beret anyway?

What will the blue tunic look like? No change? Better if we remove the fiddly branch and US insignia. The branch is stated on the rank insignia anyway.

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The official Army message is here.

In paragraph 11, it discusses what is allowed on the white shirt. What is the bolded item?
AIGUILLETTES, SERVICE (OFFICERS ONLY) (NOT AUTHORIZED ON THE CLASS B ASU) (PARA 28-25) AND (28-26)
AIRBORNE BACKGROUND TRIMMING (PARA 28-31B)
BRANCH OF SERVICE SCARVES (NOT AUTHORIZED ON THE ENLISTED FORMAL CLASS A SERVICE UNIFORM) (PARA 28-20)
BRANCH INSIGNIA (NOT AUTHORIZED ON THE CLASS B ASU) (PARA 28-10 AND 28-12A)
BRASSARDS (NOT AUTHORIZED ON THE DRESS BLUE ASU) (PARA 28-29)
COMBAT SERVICE IDENTIFICATION BADGE (CSIB) (NEW ITEM TO BE WORN WHEN AVAILABLE) THE CSIB WILL BE WORN WHEN AVAILABLE IN PLACE OF THE SSI-FWTS ON THE ASU. THE CSIB WILL BE WORN CENTER ON THE WEARER'S RIGHT BREAST POCKET OF THE ASU COAT FOR MALE SOLDIERS; FEMALE SOLDIERS WEAR THE CSIB ON THE RIGHT SIDE PARALLEL TO THE WAISTLINE ON THE ASU COAT. THE CSIB IS RANKED FIFTH IN ORDER OF PRECEDENCE BELOW THE PRESIDENTIAL, VICE-PRESIDENTIAL, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE AND JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF IDENTIFICATION BADGES. THE CSIB CAN ALSO BE WORN ON THE SHIRT WHEN WEARING THE CLASS B VERSIONS OF THE ASU (PARA 29-18)
DECORATIONS AND SERVICE MEDAL RIBBONS (PARA 29-7, 29-8 AND 29-9)
DISTINCTIVE ITEMS AUTHORIZED FOR INFANTRY PERSONNEL (PARA 28-30)
DISTINCTIVE UNIT INSIGNIA (ENLISTED ONLY) AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR ON THE CLASS A AND CLASS B UNIFORMS ONLY) (PARA 28-22)
FOREIGN BADGES (PARA 29-19)
FOURRAGERE/LANYARDS (PARA 28-11)
GOLD STAR LAPEL PIN (PARA 29-7)
HEADGEAR INSIGNIA (PARA 28-3)
INSIGNIA OF GRADE (PARA 28-5, 28-6, 28-7 AND 28-8)
OCS/WOC INSIGNIA (PARA 28-14 AND 28-15)
NAMEPLATE (PARA 28-24C)
ORGANIZATIONAL FLASH (PARA 28-31A)
OVERSEAS SERVICE BARS (OPTIONAL)(PARA 28-28)
REGIMENTAL DISTINCTIVE INSIGNIA (OPTIONAL) (PARA 28-23)
SERVICE STRIPES (ENLISTED PERSONNEL ONLY) (PARA 28-27)
UNIT AWARDS (PARA 29-11)
U.S. BADGES (IDENTIFICATION, MARKSMANSHIP, COMBAT AND SPECIAL SKILL) (PARA 29-13, 29-16, 29-17 AND 29-18)
U.S. INSIGNIA (NOT AUTHORIZED ON THE CLASS B ASU) (PARA 28-4)

Edited by Paul in Saudi, 20 August 2008 - 1742 PM.

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Posted 20 August 2008 - 1741 PM

Since we're talking retro ;) :


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Posted 20 August 2008 - 1743 PM

I was in The Building (on a visit) on the last day for the khakis. Everyone who had them tried to squeeze into them one last time.

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Reading the Army message, the non-NCOs (E-1 to 4) lose the gold stripe on the trousers. The enlisted rank insignia on the blues will be the same size and on the current greens (presently they are oversized).

The white uniform is toast. So are (it seems, although not stated) the mess uniforms.

Edited by Paul in Saudi, 20 August 2008 - 1754 PM.

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Posted 20 August 2008 - 1805 PM

I like just going with the blues, but blousing dress trowsers into boots is obscene.
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Posted 20 August 2008 - 1818 PM

Well I am of two minds

1. I like the colours
2. WOW is that a busy uniform. Name Tag and Ribbons ok, but all the other stuff? Poor guys will be up 45 minutes extra to stick on that stuff on his uniform

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Posted 20 August 2008 - 1821 PM

We need simplicity. The greens look bad enough because of all the extra stuff we hang on it. We have a clean slate here. We ought to use it.

====More on the Gold Star Lapel Pin===

Gold Star Lapel Pin authorized for uniforms
By Jim Tice - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Jan 28, 2008 10:00:49 EST
The Gold Star Lapel Pin has been authorized for wear on the Army green uniform by soldiers who have lost an immediate family member in combat.

The lapel pin was established by Congress in 1965 to identify widows, parents and next of kin of service members killed in combat. While enacted during the Vietnam War, the award authority is retroactive to World War I, and includes most subsequent conflicts.

While soldiers always have been eligible for the pin, Army regulations have restricted its wear to civilian attire.

Under the recent change in policy, the pin is authorized for wear on the green uniforms of soldiers who have lost a spouse, mother, father, child or step-child to combat.

An interim change to Army Regulation 670-1 (Wear and Appearance of Army Uniforms), requires enlisted soldiers to wear the pin centered vertically and horizontally on the left lapel of the green uniform.

Officers should wear the pin centered on the left lapel one-quarter of an inch below their branch insignia.

Edited by Paul in Saudi, 20 August 2008 - 1823 PM.

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Posted 20 August 2008 - 1827 PM

"You know what, Stan, if you want me to wear 37 pieces of flair, like your pretty boy over there, Brian, why don't you just make the minimum 37 pieces of flair?"

Glad I'll be eligible to retire in 2010 - that is, beyond all doubt, an abomination...
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Posted 20 August 2008 - 1838 PM

Oh. My. God. Those were some atrocious models. The E-7 looked roly poly, especially with bloused trousers. That E-6 chick (I think...) has some kinda vertebra problem in her neck region.

Point being, I think I just lost any enthusiasm I might have had for this new uniform. I thought the greens were kinda dorky back in the day but that was due more to a lack of tailoring than anything else. Just glad I'm not wearing them. Before I forget, blousing trousers in this gunny sack of a uniform is a really shitty idea. They looked great in khakis and decent in greens (shameless props for my old unit, the 101st AB...) but just don't make it in blue.
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Posted 20 August 2008 - 1845 PM

Jay'zus...who is sitting around thinking this stuff up? Ought to have their neck clamped in M48 travel-lock and dragged around in the bush for a while.
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Posted 20 August 2008 - 1956 PM

Jay'zus...who is sitting around thinking this stuff up? Ought to have their neck clamped in M48 travel-lock and dragged around in the bush for a while.


Oh, God. That is horrible. I could see it with grey shirts, but white won't work. I agree with the plus of the Blues being that they were elegantly simple.

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Posted 20 August 2008 - 2122 PM

Just awful. Really fucking awful. The Green uniform should have shitcanned decades ago but this is no improvement. Why not go back to some version of khaki's or pink and green's? Dumb fucks.

The combat unit identification badge is particularly ridiculous. Just what we need, another expensive lacquer paint badge. Now I can wear my HQDA Staff Badge with my combat unit identification badge, that's just sooo coool. Go help me if I ever get assigned to the OSD or Joint Staff - the right side of body will collapse from the weight.

The Class B's look even worse than the Class B greens. Hardly anyone actually wears Class B's today anyway.

Mess dress is still authorized and is not going away.

STOP FUCKING WITH THE UNIFORMS! PLEASE!

Edited by Rubberneck, 20 August 2008 - 2128 PM.

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Posted 20 August 2008 - 2127 PM

Funny thing when I saw the first pic I thought Air Force gate guard. If the army could lose it's qualification badge fetish it sure would help things.

Edited by Harold Jones, 20 August 2008 - 2127 PM.

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Posted 20 August 2008 - 2206 PM

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OMG, that looks like something a 2nd rate airforce would wear. :blink:

Why the hell can't they just go back to the simplified post civil war pattern for dress (approximating Marine Dress greens which are really sharp) and the same trousers with a better looking shirt that that above in something other than NASA console technician short sleeves? Heck, a khaki shirt would work just fine. What's wrong with Khaki. Make it a long sleeve for summer with sleeves you can roll up and button for short sleeve wear where the weather permits.

Though, that new Class B uniform DOES have polished Combat boots which was something missing from the ACUs.

Edited by rmgill, 20 August 2008 - 2210 PM.

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Posted 21 August 2008 - 0132 AM

Holy Shit!

This is, honestly, worse than I could have imagined.

Scrap it. Bring in someone who knows how to design uniforms (Hollywood?). Start over.

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Posted 21 August 2008 - 0236 AM

I'm going to go home, drink a beer, and cry myself to sleep.

Damn that is a lousy design.
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Posted 21 August 2008 - 0258 AM

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Personal opinion - awful (should be green or khaki, short-sleeves a mistake, belt too narrow)

Practical notes;

1: The beret fold-over is going to vary wildly depending on how the beret sits on the head and the stiffness of each beret and sharpness of the fold - should be less.

2: Even on the model in a, presumably, hand-picked photo the lengths of the trouser "turn-ups" look different (probably just the angle of the photo) - any group will exagerate the effect.

(I'm still trying to figure out what is happening with the inside of the left-hand (his right) boot - looks like ?????

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Posted 21 August 2008 - 0304 AM

If they wanted to go blue, why not retro ACW-style blue uniform? But these really look like... No, not 2nd rate... 5th rate south american opera dictator air force!
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Posted 21 August 2008 - 0348 AM

Everyone on that uniform board should be dragged out and shot. At the very least, forcibly separated/retired. Normally, as a jarhead, I'd smirk at the usual Army uniform buffoonery and make fun of the fact that even Army E1's dress like 3rd world dictators with a severe self-esteem issue. But this disgusts me as an American. The God damned security guard at the mall is dressed better then that. Who was on that uniform board, fucking Liberians?

This uniform bullshit in time of war is loathsome. This shit is too stupid is continue. The SecDef needs to fire all these people, immediately, if not sooner. S/F.....Ken M
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Posted 21 August 2008 - 0423 AM

This SecDef just might. The man warms my heart.
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