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#101 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 0155 AM

Am I misremembering, or wasnt there some donated to Christian Militia?

 

Incidentally, I do remember one of the rebel sides in the Lebanon had one, possibly 2 Charioteers, that had been converted to 105mm when they were being used by the Jordanian Army. Which would be interesting to see if there have ever been any photo's that have emerged of it.


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Posted 15 June 2018 - 0557 AM

They were not converted to 105mm, but had Type B 20pdr barrels which obviously confused some people.


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Posted 15 June 2018 - 0622 AM

Im only going on what David Fletcher said in and article he wrote in Wheels and tracks.


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Posted 15 June 2018 - 0729 AM

They were not converted to 105mm, but had Type B 20pdr barrels which obviously confused some people.

 

 

Im only going on what David Fletcher said in and article he wrote in Wheels and tracks.

 

 

 

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This is the Chariotteer at Latrun. The model b has a bore evacuator and the first 105 mm tubes were made by drilling out 20pdr tubes. Easy to mistake the 20pdr for the 105 with this thing in the middle of the tube. What is that?


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Posted 15 June 2018 - 0743 AM

Bore evaculator, like on all British tubes from the 20pdr B tube upwards I believe. The strakes are an attempt at a counterweight I think.

 

Like I say, im only reporting what David Fletcher actually wrote. I seem to recall he related it was an attempt by the Jordanians to upgun them. I think he said it was done on their behalf by a British company, but I would have to search the article out.. I have no further information to comment further, other than I cant really see that one as being mistaken for a 105mm tube because it looks completely different from an L7. Unless an Israeli version of Sparky is responsible of course, which is always a danger.


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Posted 15 June 2018 - 1303 PM

Bore evaculator, like on all British tubes from the 20pdr B tube upwards I believe. The strakes are an attempt at a counterweight I think.

 

Like I say, im only reporting what David Fletcher actually wrote. I seem to recall he related it was an attempt by the Jordanians to upgun them. I think he said it was done on their behalf by a British company, but I would have to search the article out.. I have no further information to comment further, other than I cant really see that one as being mistaken for a 105mm tube because it looks completely different from an L7. Unless an Israeli version of Sparky is responsible of course, which is always a danger.

 

I remember reading in his Osprey book on the Cromwell and related types that Fletcher noted that the supposedly upgunned Charioteer found in Lebanon was in such bad shape it could not be usefully evaluated.


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Posted 15 June 2018 - 1623 PM

Centurion with 17pdr used primer safety clip ?

 

https://picclick.co....3295915647.html

 

like this one, maybe someone seen version for 17pdr?

 

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sherman with 17pdr have it


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Posted 15 June 2018 - 1816 PM

Centurion with 17pdr used primer safety clip ?

 

https://picclick.co....3295915647.html

 

like this one, maybe someone seen version for 17pdr?

 

So did their 105mm ammunition, so I presume it was for the 20 pdr as well.


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 0140 AM

interesting, thank you


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Posted 25 June 2018 - 1659 PM

I'm not aware of Israel ever having that configuration though and I'm pretty sure I read that Lebanon did. I once saw an ACAV in real life in the motorpool at RAF Alconbury in 1992 where it was presumably used for base defence and/or EOD work.
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Posted 25 June 2018 - 1704 PM

For example

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Posted 26 June 2018 - 0617 AM

I'm not aware of Israel ever having that configuration though...

 

They did, but it was very rare and hardly used. Less than 50 were shipped in 1973.


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Posted 22 July 2018 - 1131 AM

A bit of an awkward piggybacking but it seems silly to start a new thread.  I have long been under the impression that Mk1 and Mk2 had the long hulls and the short hulls didn't enter service until the Mk3.  This seems to be reinforced in text found in works like the Haynes manual on the tank by Simon Dunstan, or at least he only mentions it in the section on the Mk3.  However, the photos of the first Mk2's fielded definitely look like a short hull (T351415 has a very good side photo).  Can anyone shed light on this?


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Posted 25 August 2018 - 2344 PM

Egypt...

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Posted 26 August 2018 - 0258 AM

We also sold them some Mk1 Tugs if I remember rightly.


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Posted 26 August 2018 - 0930 AM

We also sold them some Mk1 Tugs if I remember rightly.

 

Ex BA or new?


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Posted 26 August 2018 - 1104 AM

It was all supplied directly Ex British Army stock's if I remember rightly. The Tugs were only defrocked Mk1's with a box structure on them anyway.

 

Im not sure any of this was still operational by the time of Suez. Im surprised any of it survived at all.


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Posted 26 August 2018 - 1608 PM

What Mark is that Egyptian Cent in the photo? Mk2? Im guessing Bovington would give an arm and a leg for it.
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Posted 27 August 2018 - 0151 AM

Mk1 I think. Mk2 had the same turret as the mark 3, other than it was also mounting a 17 pounder instead of a 20 Pounder.

 

I think they already have one actually, but clearly it would be nice to have one as a runner. Though they werent exactly that reliable when new...


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Posted 27 August 2018 - 0328 AM

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