Yes Ryan, you have people who die because they can't afford procedures or treatments - even relatively simple things like insulin (not surprising when drug companies mark it up by thousands of percent)
Citation needed for this.
Adverse outcomes from your prevalent profit-based healthcare model are easy to find on the internet, but not if you intentionally limit yourself to sources that reinforce your existing beliefs.
I suspect they outnumber patients that get left on trolleys here by 1000:1. If there was one such person, they would outnumber those left on trolleys in all the hospitals I have worked in by infinity to one.
Adverse outcomes from the cost model? Or adverse outcomes from malpractice. One doesn't necessarily beget the other. What breeds such problems is lack of accountability. What breeds that is greater levels of separation of the primary customer and the health care providers. You lot have police telling people to correct their language. How long before they arrest people who complain about the NHS?
Mind you your system is as large as some of our regional systems I'll bet. One big Nationalized system in the US would be a giant, lethargic monopoly. We can't even get the feds to run a competent system for Veterans. Why do you think it would work for the entire country? I've pointed this issue out before. You guys think we're some sort of yokel rural mix of Europeans with some blacks from Africa and more asians. There's a lot of complexity in the US system.
Major US Cities run by Democrats are imploding. Why do you think that class of leadership and staffing could possibly run a national health care system?
As to Sanders, I've looked up what he's actually said and none it justifies his being called "communist" or leads me to believe he wants gulags etc.
He claims to be a "democratic socialist"
He wants to nationalize many of our industries. He's proposed such repeatedly over his career. He's admired the USSR. He's admired Cuba and Venezuela. If that's not communist, what is in your book? Here's the thing.
He's also claimed to be _socialist_. This was in an NPR interview. He's softballing. Property or not he pushes a certain dogma. That only makes it all more hypocritical. Is al Gore not a giant anthropogenic climate change advocate becuase he has the carbon footprint of a small third wolrd city?
I'm still not seeing any global trend toward communism.
Put the goal post back. We were talking about the US DNC and the UK Labor party.
If communism is indeed a threat, why have you not joined some kind of officially sanctioned military or law enforcement organisation to fight it on your home patch, or perhaps invade Venezuela?
There is a lot of bullshit out there. For example, I looked up our life expectancy vs yours, and ours (UK) is significantly better, but it is more complex than that.
If you make it to 80 in the States, the odds are you will live longer than you would in the UK. The trick is making it to 80. One site explained that by higher levels of violence and particularly gun violence in your society make it more likely you will die young.
We have different demographics than you do. That's why it's complicated.
Yeah. Well, I'm not in a gang. Nor am I in the inner city ghetto. Nor do I live next to gangs. Nor do I rob my neighbors. I've covered this before with you and the Euro crowd on how and whys of our violent crime. To give a different example, Stuart is not at risk of getting the bends. You are. If we combined you two and included him in that demographic risk..it would be stupid.
That seems like B-S to me, because, although tragic, I don't think the numbers are high enough to affect overall longevity significantly. I suspect the true answer is more nuanced than that and involves lifestyle choice, culture and possibly even ethnicity.
One thing that bugs me about the FFZ is the constant harking on about (usually) domestic communism as if it or its proponents actually still (or indeed ever) posed a threat to the US to the exclusion of entities or things that actually do like political polarisation, climate change or, strangest of all, Russia.
. Bizarrely, since the Russians helped put your guy in office*, there has been almost no criticism of Russia here on the FFZ from the usual suspects.
What do you want us to do? Invade Europe so we can stop Germany getting more gas from Russia? Perhaps if you think it's such a big threat to the west, you should join some military organization with Stuart and invade Russia (like your nonsensical idea above).
That's despite their being highly critical of the US and openly stating how they would go ahead and blow you and your shit up in new and inventive ways if you really pissed them off. Russia may not be communist now, but it is perpetually sliding toward outright totalitarianism and acts as pretty much a rogue state where its neighbours are concerned.
Yeah. And they want to stir the pot and sew FUD in the US, the UK and Europe to increase their power. Do keep playing into their hands.
It seems, as Lastdingo pointed out, that any amount of bad conduct is OK, either by domestic agencies or foreign ones - even domestic terrorists - as long as it serves right wing objectives in the US. I was sickened by some of the posts on here after the Charlottesville car attack (sorry, Antifa false-flag attack or completely untoward road traffic accident - take your pick).
Were you sickened by the behavior of the City government in MAKING the conflict happen? What about WACO? Does that even ping on your radar? Does what's going on in Virginia even ping on your PPI either? There's a great many things wrong. The culture war that the left wants to fight is being magnified by their racism and that's putting some folks of a mind that they also should group against them by race. You know who the biggest movers and shakers are in that conflict ? Democrats.