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#1 Panzermann

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 1140 AM

 
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Czech BMP-2 replacement requirements emerge
James Bingham, London - IHS Jane's International Defence Review
25 November 2016
 

Details have emerged regarding the Czech Republic's planned procurement of armoured vehicles to replace its ageing fleet of BMP-2s.

The Czech Republic Ministry of Defence (MoD) plans to procure 210 Armoured Fighting Vehicles (AFV) in seven variants by 2025, according to the procurement programme's director.

The Director of the Czech Republic's National Armaments Office's Land Forces Armaments division, Colonel Tomas Dvoracek, also revealed that a feasibility study and market research have been completed ahead of an industry day planned for 15 December 2016. Speaking at the SMi Future Armoured Vehicles Survivability conference in London, Col Dvoracek also detailed several programme requirements and a planned procurement timeline.

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Czech army evaluates infantry fighting vehicles
Jiri Kominek, Prague - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
04 July 2017
 

The Czech Ministry of Defence (MoD) and the Army of the Czech Republic (ACR) are in the process of conducting extensive field evaluations of five tracked armoured infantry fighting vehicle (AIFV) platforms from four manufacturers.

Following the evaluation process, which is being conducted at the ACR base of Libava until 14 July, the MoD expects to select a platform and award a CZK50 billion (USD2.17 billion) contract to its manufacturer in 2018. The winner will be asked to supply 210 AIFVs to the ACR's 7th Mechanised Brigade in 2020-24.

"We should be able to move into the acquisition phase of the procurement by autumn," Deputy Defence Minister Daniel Kostoval told media on 3 July.

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Which vehicles are being offered?


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#2 Panzermann

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 1209 PM

below the turret ring lists:

  • BAe systems CV9030CZ
  • BAe Systems C9030CZr (MCT-30 RWS)
  • GD-ELS ASCOD2 with Samson RWS
  • Rheinmetall Lynx  KF-41
  • KMW Puma IFV
  • Excalibur Army  Šakal IFV (rebuilt BVP-2)
  • FFG PMMC G5 with rws
  • Zetor Wolfdog IFV

 

http://below-the-tur...czech-army.html



#3 Markus Becker

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 1640 PM

Still not interested in replacing their T-72 with actual tanks? *cough* Leo *cough*

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 2058 PM

Why give Germany money to fund their occupation forces?

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 0058 AM

  • Excalibur Army  Šakal IFV (rebuilt BVMP-2)

 

Fixed it.



#6 Panzermann

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 0311 AM

 

  • Excalibur Army  Šakal IFV (rebuilt BVMP-2)

 

Fixed it.

 

 

Wrong. The ČSSR called them BVP-1 and -2.

 

 

 

Still not interested in replacing their T-72 with actual tanks? *cough* Leo *cough*

 

T-72 is tank. Ther czech army is thinking about this too, but have not come to a decision how to proceed AFAIK. Either another improvement of the existing vehicels or buying something else.



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Posted 19 September 2017 - 0412 AM

Still not interested in replacing their T-72 with actual tanks? *cough* Leo *cough*

If turrets are flying identically, why pay more?

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 0917 AM

Why give Germany money to fund their occupation forces?

 

You are so 1940. These days even the Poles appreciate the presence of German tanks in their country. ;) 



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Posted 20 September 2017 - 1329 PM

1940? They had looted all the Czech Panzers!

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 1702 PM

Looting is such a harsh word. After March 39 they didn't have a use for them any more and it would have been wrong to let all these fine tanks go to waste. Besides, that wasn't the end of it. We bought a lot of Czech tanks in the following years. Made them famous too.

I think it's only fair that they buy some from use. Just the vehicles, with no loss of national sovereignty attached because we changed. ;)

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 1935 PM

So Czech Army is mobilization reserve park for the Panzerwaffe.  Hmmmmm.........



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Posted 21 September 2017 - 0659 AM

Everybody is everybody else's reserve. It's called NATO. :)

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 2132 PM

Yeah, sure, right.........



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Posted 23 September 2017 - 1525 PM

Yeah, sure, right.........

 

 

The idea is, that responsibility is passed around so laong until it evaporates. "someone else does it" hence the Bundeswehr e.g.  not having AAA.



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Posted 23 September 2017 - 1611 PM

 

Yeah, sure, right.........

 

 

The idea is, that responsibility is passed around so laong until it evaporates. "someone else does it" hence the Bundeswehr e.g.  not having AAA.

 

Well, in a couple years you'll be able to buy the Next-Gen Avenger turret from Boeing for your Boxers and those will able to mount 30mm cannons by them.  Not the same as the old Gepards, I know, but it'll help.



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Posted 23 September 2017 - 1612 PM

Yeah, sure, right.........

 
 
The idea is, that responsibility is passed around so laong until it evaporates. "someone else does it" hence the Bundeswehr e.g.  not having AAA.

Sure? I thought that was the idea behind the EU. :)

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 1712 PM

Our army and politicians missed the train with the "sunken cost" fallacy. Continuting eith the T-72 modernization when the order went from 350 to 31 tanks was just foolish... And having a choice between no tanks or Leopards is pretty clear. Then again... Nothing is clear as soon as politicicians and lobbyists dig in. Esp. if it is covered by the overarching "we have to protect our industry"...



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Posted 23 September 2017 - 1807 PM

 

 

Yeah, sure, right.........

 
 
The idea is, that responsibility is passed around so laong until it evaporates. "someone else does it" hence the Bundeswehr e.g.  not having AAA.

Sure? I thought that was the idea behind the EU. :)

 

 

EU does not do defence despite pipe deeam Eurocorps. But for all else, yes that is definitely how it is done. <_<



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Posted 24 September 2017 - 0431 AM

Well, in a couple years you'll be able to buy the Next-Gen Avenger turret from Boeing for your Boxers and those will able to mount 30mm cannons by them.  Not the same as the old Gepards, I know, but it'll help.


No way. They'd rather put that Millennium Gun on there with some sensor package, and then buy eight copies after spending EUR 300 million on development.

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Posted 24 September 2017 - 0516 AM

http://www.below-the...rches-t-72.html

 

Šakal and Wolfdog were apparently not considered for the official tender, but a total of nine vehicle manufacturers was asked to make offers. Of these nine, two manufacturing consortiums (the Italian companies responsible for the Dardo and the Israeli designers of the Namer) didn't reply in time. That left seven companies bidding for the contract. The German G5 was rejected for offering too little of an advantage over the current BMP-2 (or an upgraded variant of the BMP-2). Tthe two Turkish IFVs, the Kaplan-20 and the Tulpar, suffered from being made in a country ruled by Erdogan, which was too risky for the Czech military. That leaves four contenders in form of the ASCOD 2, the Combat Vehicle 90, the Lynx and the Puma, which were sent to the Czech Republic and tested in a six weeks period.

 

According to Czech websites, the Puma won. Exact results are not stated, but Puma managed to hit most targets. German industry and Czech government/military officials have already met for the first talks. The problem with the Puma is its high price - PSM does not want to release an official value, but Czech websites claim something like 7 million Euro per vehicle. In theory the budget for the BMP-2 is enough for up to ~280 new Pumas (Czech Republic only wants 210), but only half the budget is meant for vehicles, the other half is meant for the infrastucture. This means Puma is 40% over budget.

There are different options being evaluated, including making the Puma in the Czech Republic, getting money from the new EU fund for defence material and research, buying the Puma together with a cheaper vehicle (for most of the non-iFV varaints) or buying another IFV.

 

For replacing the T-72, there are only two options: the Leopard 2 or an Israeli tank. Most European tanks are not in production anymore (Ariete, Chally, Leclerc) and most non-European tanks are too expensive/not meeting the requirements. The M1 Abrams is too heavy and consumes too much fuel and spares, while Type 10 and K2 are made too far away, which increases costs (also, do these tanks meet all European and NATO regulations?). Israel decided to offer the Sabra tank only; at first the Merkava 4 was considered, but they saw little chance of it being bought (Maybe it's too expensive? Maybe it doesn't offer enough performance in certain areas? Too heavy?).

Unfortunately a lot of Leopard 2 users have converted larger numbers of their old Leopard 2A4s into ARVs, bridgelayers etc. or cannibalized for spare parts. Norway's and Spain's 2A4 tanks are in bad condition and thus unlikely to be bought by anyone (would require lots of additional $$$ for refurbishment). So there are only about second-hand 100 Leopard 2 tanks left on the market, but aside of the Czech Republic also Bulgaria, Croatia and Poland are looking to buy new tanks...

Another alternative to buying a MBT that is considered in the Czech Republic is buying a light/medium tank based on the new IFV chassis instead.


Edited by methos, 24 September 2017 - 0518 AM.





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