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#41 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 0840 AM

To be fair to the USN, they are looking at drone ships, which clearly have the potential to be a 21st Century Frigate in some respect. But if you look at traditional roles of a navy, any navy, they include maritime blockades, stopping and searching, search and rescue, even combat against lower end surface threats. Some of those can be undertaken by a drone ship, but not all, and yes, use drones as pickets and supplements to maritime forces. But dont pretend, as some do, that its a substitute for manned ships. That only seems to work for the Israeli's, and they still have a fleet of manned corvettes.


I think the problem with the USN that I can detect, it lacks pragmatists. It lacks people who reject the very best that money can buy, and are willing to buy lower end platforms, that they specify room and development space on to bolt on new weapons or systems, that they throw the money at like no tomorrow.  I dont know if that implies a 21st Century OHP, or something like type 31. But it implies people rejecting silly ideas like the Seawolf, or the Zumwalt or the LCS that anyone with some common sense would see were not affordable in the post cold war world. Alright, new cold war world. Nobody is still stumping up for it, and if they did, its still leaving seaspace uncovered.


Bring back the Flower class! :D

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#42 Burncycle360



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Posted 17 January 2020 - 1357 PM

I wonder what survivability category WW2 Destroyers and Destroyer Escorts would qualify for by todays standards, if any.
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Posted 25 January 2020 - 1231 PM

It's an interesting question. There are few examples of modern warships that have had to withstand the beating that WW2 era ships took, so it would not be easy to make a definitive statement on the empirical evidence.


I don't think that SINKEX trials are particularly useful to us, either, without the underlying data.


Perhaps we could get a list of post-war designs that have been sunk or badly damaged in battle as a starting point?



List of Falkland Island damaged and sunk is here: https://www.naval-hi..._ships_lost.htm This list may be biased by the well known fuzing issues - a lot of what are essentially mission kills due to UXB poking holes.


There was USS Stark, of course. https://en.wikipedia..._Stark_incident


Should the USS Cole be counted? https://en.wikipedia...S_Cole_(DDG-67)



Korea is too early - most ships would be WW2 veterans or designs but not obviously "modern", at a guess. INS Eilat was a wartime UK destroyer.


Small boats, like OSAs and the Israeli Saars are probably too small to be considered survivable.

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