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#181 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 09 June 2019 - 1027 AM

Interesting take by the Guardian on the divide between Williamson and the Treasury over the naval diplomacy approach toward China before his departure from government. Treasury seems to have the upper hand for now.

 

A Navy is only as capable as the politics behind it in various ways.

 

Its also driving the decision behind Huawei building UK infrastructure. Personally Id be surprised if Hammond survives the PM, so its possible we will see a realignment of principles when she has gone. We will see. Personally I think our foreign policy since 2010 has been overly monetarily obsessed. Not that you can live off principles, but we seem far to ready to jettison them to make ourselves appealing for the PRC. It makes me sick to see Tories behaving as Corbyn accolytes in this manner.


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Posted 09 June 2019 - 1042 AM

Fukuyama probably should have added the word "military" in front of his end of history thesis. The economic and political now dominate, for better or worse. Was 2010 something of a turning point in the British economy? 

 

Williamson could be seen as providing necessary balance to a tilt too far toward economic ties with Beijing. Managing to not get fired with work remaining to be done in this regard would have helped immensely.


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#183 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 09 June 2019 - 1431 PM

Fukuyama probably should have added the word "military" in front of his end of history thesis. The economic and political now dominate, for better or worse. Was 2010 something of a turning point in the British economy? 

 

Williamson could be seen as providing necessary balance to a tilt too far toward economic ties with Beijing. Managing to not get fired with work remaining to be done in this regard would have helped immensely.

David Cameron became Prime Minister. He would have sold his own grandmother to balance the British economy.

 

This is probably the wrong thread for it, but you only have to look at the visit of the Chinese Premier to the UK to see there was an unhealthy amount of sucking up going on. There is a far fringe of the Conservatives that is just like Labour when it comes to extremists. The only difference in the sucking up is in the ideology. In Labour its Socialist, in Conservative its merchantilist.

 

The point is, if you take Brexit to its natural conclusion, it means doing things ourselves, for our own reasons on the world stage. Those whom want to swap an apparently subservient relationship with the EU to one from China are surely missing the point of it.


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Posted 09 June 2019 - 1914 PM

 

Fukuyama probably should have added the word "military" in front of his end of history thesis. The economic and political now dominate, for better or worse. Was 2010 something of a turning point in the British economy?

 

Williamson could be seen as providing necessary balance to a tilt too far toward economic ties with Beijing. Managing to not get fired with work remaining to be done in this regard would have helped immensely.

David Cameron became Prime Minister. He would have sold his own grandmother to balance the British economy.

 

This is probably the wrong thread for it, but you only have to look at the visit of the Chinese Premier to the UK to see there was an unhealthy amount of sucking up going on. There is a far fringe of the Conservatives that is just like Labour when it comes to extremists. The only difference in the sucking up is in the ideology. In Labour its Socialist, in Conservative its merchantilist.

 

The point is, if you take Brexit to its natural conclusion, it means doing things ourselves, for our own reasons on the world stage. Those whom want to swap an apparently subservient relationship with the EU to one from China are surely missing the point of it.

 

The main upside of getting out of the EU is that you escape the neoliberal straitjacket of Maastricht etc. and can nationalise or subsidise certain sectors of the economy more or less at will.

Being close to China hardly winds that back, as they do not require their trade partners to abstain from industry policy. Decent discussion here:

https://www.spiked-o...-neoliberalism/

 


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#185 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 10 June 2019 - 0208 AM

 

 

Fukuyama probably should have added the word "military" in front of his end of history thesis. The economic and political now dominate, for better or worse. Was 2010 something of a turning point in the British economy?

 

Williamson could be seen as providing necessary balance to a tilt too far toward economic ties with Beijing. Managing to not get fired with work remaining to be done in this regard would have helped immensely.

David Cameron became Prime Minister. He would have sold his own grandmother to balance the British economy.

 

This is probably the wrong thread for it, but you only have to look at the visit of the Chinese Premier to the UK to see there was an unhealthy amount of sucking up going on. There is a far fringe of the Conservatives that is just like Labour when it comes to extremists. The only difference in the sucking up is in the ideology. In Labour its Socialist, in Conservative its merchantilist.

 

The point is, if you take Brexit to its natural conclusion, it means doing things ourselves, for our own reasons on the world stage. Those whom want to swap an apparently subservient relationship with the EU to one from China are surely missing the point of it.

 

The main upside of getting out of the EU is that you escape the neoliberal straitjacket of Maastricht etc. and can nationalise or subsidise certain sectors of the economy more or less at will.

Being close to China hardly winds that back, as they do not require their trade partners to abstain from industry policy.

https://www.spiked-o...-neoliberalism/

 

 

 

 

 

If you believe in independence, allowing China to dictate how we operate our military and allowing them to own key elements of our national infrastructure, whether its nuclear power stations, or 5G, is clearly a retrograde step.  If that is a step forward, im personally not seeing it.  I put communists of any variety on a lower spectrum than any Brussels Bureaucrat.


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Posted 14 June 2019 - 0827 AM

Carrier 003 taking shape.

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Posted 21 June 2019 - 0837 AM

'China’s BeiDou satellite navigation system breaks underwater barriers, naval shipbuilder says'


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Posted 27 June 2019 - 0442 AM

Inside of Liaoning.

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Posted 29 June 2019 - 2010 PM

Z-20 mockup on Type 55 destroyer.

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Posted 30 June 2019 - 1104 AM

 

 

If you believe in independence, allowing China to dictate how we operate our military and allowing them to own key elements of our national infrastructure, whether its nuclear power stations, or 5G, is clearly a retrograde step.  If that is a step forward, im personally not seeing it.  I put communists of any variety on a lower spectrum than any Brussels Bureaucrat.

 

 

Exactly.


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Posted 04 July 2019 - 0732 AM

Some close up pictures of the Type 75 Amphibious Assault Ship construction. Tolerated leak, someone got lucky, IDK.

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 0932 AM

Carrier 003 taking shape.

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Some more recent pictures.

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 1451 PM

Not much to see yet, but kudos to they guy taking a selfie with the "secret" ship in the back, what could go wrong there...


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Posted 15 July 2019 - 2259 PM

Not much to see yet, but kudos to they guy taking a selfie with the "secret" ship in the back, what could go wrong there...


Yeah, that picture is quite mind boggling. The latest chatter is that a batch of 8 Type 71s is now nearing completion with the 8th one having been launched from that same dock. So now a switch to Type 75 production. Some speculate some of metal stuff is the keel for a second Type 75. Have to wait to see if that speculation turns out correct.
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Posted Today, 04:43 AM

Another picture of the Type 75.

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