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#1441 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 0513 AM

So why airbrush photo's? Why remove important historical figures from feature films or history books? Why empty files of national leaders in the headquarters of an organizations that never released anything anyway? You are pretending there was a rule to their doing anything, when there clearly wasn't, other than maintaining a good impression.  If Soviet Bureaucrats were beyond falsifying records, then the Soviet Unions economy would never have collapsed.

 

There is a long standing history of the Soviet state suppressing historical evidence. Try and look for a document where Lenin gives the order to shoot the Royal Family. We KNOW it happened, so either they went out their way to not leave a paper trail, or someone thoughtfully expunged it. Either works.

 

Why do I think it might have been kept? If i was a betting man, I think it was Stalin keeping it so he had something he could put the finger on Molotov or others if he needed to. I dont believe for a second it had anything to do  with the thoroughness of Soviet Bureaucrats, other than latterly not touching something that was out of sight and out of mind.  Im delighted they did, but for me it proves nothing either way of the regime.


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#1442 Ssnake

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 0534 AM

So why airbrush photo's? Why remove important historical figures from feature films or history books? 

 

Internal propaganda purposes. Don't conflate it with keeping ammo for external negotiations. Doctoring with the party history is inconsequential for foreign politics until you cross the "we've always been at war with Sealand" line.


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#1443 Roman Alymov

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Posted 01 July 2020 - 1423 PM

 

I dont utterly fail to understand anything. Go read 'The Mitrokhin Archive' and see what he found when he opened the Stalin File.  

 

It is nice to see you continue to insist on using unpublished handwritten copies (!) by man who is Mi6 asset, plus memoirs of the same man as historic evidence :) I’m afraid we were debating it only couple of weeks ago….  I’m regretting absence of Forum search more and more.


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#1444 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 02 July 2020 - 0155 AM

Roman, ive cited dozens of sources for my opinion, such as it is, on this site. People are free to disagree, but they can at least get off their ass and read the modest tomes I have before forming an argument. You do nothing but force other people to rely on your Russianess to know the truth.

 

I like you Roman, I even respect your country. But if you are going to continue to make assertions based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever, there is zero point debating anything with you. Im not going to rely on the fact that because you are Russian you know better. History has proven that your countrymen are the last to understand the events ongoing inside your country, hence why you are all so bloody addicted to conspiracy theory. Im not, I got over that shit with the millennium and the end of the X files first run. It got boring 2 decades ago.


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#1445 Roman Alymov

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Posted 03 July 2020 - 0408 AM

Roman, ive cited dozens of sources for my opinion, such as it is, on this site. People are free to disagree, but they can at least get off their ass and read the modest tomes I have before forming an argument. You do nothing but force other people to rely on your Russianess to know the truth. 

Dozens of sources based on fake stories like Mitrokhin and fiction books like GULAG archipelago? :) I’m afraid you are missing the fact you are quoting the sources of no value, unfortunately. But it is up to you:  I do not "force other people" into something, we are just chatting online. It is not some kind of war you must win or die - just exchange of opinions.

 

  History has proven that your countrymen are the last to understand the events ongoing inside your country, hence why you are all so bloody addicted to conspiracy theory. 

Effectively you are saying “Westerners know Russia better then Russians”. Well, with this level of arrogance not surprising West is sleepwalking into trouble in internal affairs.


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#1446 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted Yesterday, 12:08 PM

No, im saying if Russians were experts on what happens in their country they wouldnt have gone Communist, Wouldnt have gone Democratic, and wouldnt have allowed the Mafia/FSB to take over their country. I dont believe Russians are apathetic. Treated like a mushroom? Self evidently.


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#1447 Roman Alymov

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Posted Today, 03:27 AM

No, im saying if Russians were experts on what happens in their country they wouldnt have gone Communist, Wouldnt have gone Democratic, and wouldnt have allowed the Mafia/FSB to take over their country. I dont believe Russians are apathetic. Treated like a mushroom? Self evidently.

After reading so many books on Russia you still do not know USSR ("Russia") newer was Communist - but Socialist :)  I'm sorry but unfortunately your view of Russia is collection of Western media rubber stamps


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