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#21 Roman Alymov

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Posted 27 April 2017 - 1536 PM

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Posted 27 April 2017 - 1537 PM

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#23 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 0623 AM

Nice. Looks like a start point for a rebuild, if they can find a Mk3 hull somewhere.

 

At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious, being a stencil it looks as if it was used on a lot of vehicles. If it was a low level tactical mark, or even an individual vehicle marking you would assume they would have painted it on rather than setting up a compressor and doing it with a stencil. OTOH, its Germans. They always took pride in their work. :D

 

As its on all sides, I idly wonder if its a marking they put on during recovery purposes? Ie, this one to be abandoned, this to be recovered. Though I cant say ive seem any photographs of them doing it with anything else.

 

Interesting, do let us know if you find anything out.



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Posted 28 April 2017 - 0648 AM

Looks simmilar to 210 Sturmgeschutz Abtailung (it was C as circle around h)  - and it was fighting nearby, ~10km away.



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Posted 28 April 2017 - 1318 PM

Stuart, stencils did not mean always a sprayer was required.



#26 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 29 April 2017 - 0229 AM

Stuart, stencils did not mean always a sprayer was required.

 

Thats true. But it does imply more than one vehicle was being done in a hurry.



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Posted 29 April 2017 - 0459 AM

This - allegedly StuG.Abt. 210 - "CH" looks rather different? 

 

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Posted 29 April 2017 - 0529 AM

The germans did some times mark their vehicles with a letter indicating who the commanding officer of the unit was, did they not? Like K for von Kleist and G for Guderian. Any german general whose name began with Ch?


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Posted 29 April 2017 - 0605 AM

The Don, 1942, Hans tells Karl about the prank he pulled out on 210 Stug Abt vehicle by mispainting the marking...



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Posted 29 April 2017 - 1815 PM

Any german general whose name began with Ch?


There were two von der Chevallerie, Kurt and Helmut…

#31 MiloMorai

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Posted 29 April 2017 - 2012 PM

Helmut  von der Chevallerie commanded  the 13th Panzer Division from 1 November 1942 – 1 December 1942.



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Posted 30 April 2017 - 0231 AM

This - allegedly StuG.Abt. 210 - "CH" looks rather different? 

 

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Good find that man! And is that a Tiger head painted on the nose as well?

 

Not seen that version before. You kind of wonder how many of these unit designators have not been written down.


Edited by Stuart Galbraith, 30 April 2017 - 0232 AM.


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Posted 30 April 2017 - 1004 AM

I think the Tiger head was another StuG Abt. 210 sign.

 

First commander of the battalion was called Schlawe followed by Herbert Sichelschmidt, neither seems to have any connection with "CH".

 

According to German Wikipedia, "CH" was an abbreviation used for the vocal group "Comedian Harmonists" that was very popular in German in the 1920ies and 30ies but got into trouble after the National Socialists took over as several members were of Jewish origin. Couldn't find any logos though - and it would a rather daring label to put on your StuGs.......

 

"CH" is also used to denote Switzerland - abbreviation for "Confoederatio Helvetica"



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Posted 01 May 2017 - 1507 PM

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Posted 01 May 2017 - 1531 PM

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Posted 01 May 2017 - 1532 PM

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#37 Roman Alymov

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Posted 01 May 2017 - 1533 PM

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#38 Roman Alymov

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Posted 01 May 2017 - 1542 PM

Video from locals (title photo is from another recovery)


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Posted 01 May 2017 - 1544 PM



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Posted 01 May 2017 - 1547 PM

Again, disregard title photo


Edited by Roman Alymov, 01 May 2017 - 1547 PM.





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