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#1 Dawes

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Posted 29 August 2019 - 2149 PM

Another hopeful for the NGSW contract. Looks like it borrows from various designs:

 

https://www.thefirea...y-ngsw-program/


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#2 sunday

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Posted 29 August 2019 - 2345 PM

Does the M1941 Johnson rifle ride again?


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#3 Simon Tan

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Posted 30 August 2019 - 0524 AM

No. Johnson was short recoil. This is CSRG!
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Posted 30 August 2019 - 0527 AM

Stoner 63 with extrusion based receiveris my choice. Why they are using that magazine is beyond me. 6.8SPC II is type standardized and has in service for 6 years approx with a PMAG that works very well.

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Posted 30 August 2019 - 0550 AM

Except they want 3000+fps MV.

One of the greatest crack-pipe projects of the today infantry weapons world.


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Posted 30 August 2019 - 1131 AM

Where do they find these muppets?


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#7 Dawes

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Posted 30 August 2019 - 1139 AM

Is the rest of the world into the whole FDE/Coyote Tan craze as well?


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Posted 30 August 2019 - 1609 PM

No. Johnson was short recoil. This is CSRG!

 

So, did they go full Chauchat?


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Posted 30 August 2019 - 1931 PM


No. Johnson was short recoil. This is CSRG!

 
So, did they go full Chauchat?

Never go full Chauchat.

The one question I have is why do they need a 1MOA at 1000yards rifle for general issue it's overkill most soldiers would be lucky to hit a target at 500yards with a properly set up rifle. Sure it might work as a DMR but for general issue it's sound just too expensive for little gain over the currently available firearms.
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Posted 30 August 2019 - 1959 PM

It looks like it is made of cardboard.


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#11 GregShaw

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Posted 30 August 2019 - 2255 PM

It looks like it is made of cardboard.

Hitech, tacticool, expensive cardboard.


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Posted 30 August 2019 - 2302 PM

Possibly just another dead end. Although it has a shot at Hollywood and the next Marvel film :D


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Posted 31 August 2019 - 0247 AM

The entire project seems like a scam to fleece the taxpayer.  S/F....Ken M


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Posted 31 August 2019 - 0442 AM

I think the 1 MoA at 1000 yards requirement is partly driven by the ability to fit a tank-like sighting/FCS that can remove a lot of the variables an unassisted human shooter has to cope with. The FCS will be pointless most of the time (as are tank FCS in regions with terrain that only permits short range engagements), but it could be a game changer when circumstances permit. The odd thing for me is that I have never associated long recoil operation with extreme precision.
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Posted 31 August 2019 - 0515 AM

I think the 1 MoA at 1000 yards requirement is partly driven by the ability to fit a tank-like sighting/FCS that can remove a lot of the variables an unassisted human shooter has to cope with. The FCS will be pointless most of the time (as are tank FCS in regions with terrain that only permits short range engagements), but it could be a game changer when circumstances permit. The odd thing for me is that I have never associated long recoil operation with extreme precision.


The Rarden cannon is very accurate when paired with an effective fire control system. It doesn't have a great rate of fire though. The long recoil is accurate as there are fewer variables as the round is fired from a completely closed bolt there is no need to bleed gas or momentarily delay the bolt so less variables that affect accuracy can creep in.
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Posted 31 August 2019 - 1245 PM

I think the 1 MoA at 1000 yards requirement is partly driven by the ability to fit a tank-like sighting/FCS that can remove a lot of the variables an unassisted human shooter has to cope with. The FCS will be pointless most of the time (as are tank FCS in regions with terrain that only permits short range engagements), but it could be a game changer when circumstances permit. The odd thing for me is that I have never associated long recoil operation with extreme precision.

 

Since the REMF's will undoubtedly install some form of "look over your shoulder" bullshit(already exists), I think this is a stupid idea.  S/F....Ken M


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Posted 31 August 2019 - 1527 PM

 

I think the 1 MoA at 1000 yards requirement is partly driven by the ability to fit a tank-like sighting/FCS that can remove a lot of the variables an unassisted human shooter has to cope with. The FCS will be pointless most of the time (as are tank FCS in regions with terrain that only permits short range engagements), but it could be a game changer when circumstances permit. The odd thing for me is that I have never associated long recoil operation with extreme precision.

 

Since the REMF's will undoubtedly install some form of "look over your shoulder" bullshit(already exists), I think this is a stupid idea.  S/F....Ken M

 

It will probably earn some colonel his star, that's probably the reason for being.


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Posted 31 August 2019 - 2000 PM

I think the system we saw some years ago had the option to display on a tablet, so any level of oversight would be possible.

Has anything more been heard of the 50 cal guided rounds?
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Posted 31 August 2019 - 2037 PM

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I think it's worse than that. Its failure (which seems assured) will be pointed to, forever, as irrefutable evidence that we must use 5.56x45mm.

Future suggestions of a better cartridge will be met with "no no, they tried that with the NGSW and we all know how that turned out!"
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Posted 01 September 2019 - 1554 PM

 

The entire project seems like a scam to fleece the taxpayer.  S/F....Ken M


I think it's worse than that. Its failure (which seems assured) will be pointed to, forever, as irrefutable evidence that we must use 5.56x45mm.

Future suggestions of a better cartridge will be met with "no no, they tried that with the NGSW and we all know how that turned out!"

 


OICW, SPIW etc etc have not dissauded anyone over the years.

And at least some of the reasoning for a more powerful cartridge to punch through future body armour of infatrymen has some merit to it.

 
 

Stoner 63 with extrusion based receiveris my choice. Why they are using that magazine is beyond me. 6.8SPC II is type standardized and has in service for 6 years approx with a PMAG that works very well.


While I agree that a kinda hybrid of the Stoner63 and SCAR has something going for it. though there was the Robinson 96 which IIRC was based on the 63.

 

The 6,8 SPC II is a dedicated short barrel short range round with its stubby projectiles. The new 6,8 mm is more like the Creedmoor cartridges. It just happens to have the same caliber as the older SPC II, but has much case capacity and more powder 


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