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#121 seahawk

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Posted 13 May 2019 - 0956 AM

In the last Swiss competition that requirement was to sent an in-serice airframe. The Typhoon was just stuck at Tranche1, while the French had the first F3 versions.


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Posted 14 May 2019 - 1320 PM

The Rafale then evaluated did have the older PESA radar though and, according to the leaked summary 18 other improvements were promised by the French. The version to be delivered would have been the 'F3+'. The Eurofighter Typhoon in this competition had many deficiencies relative to the Rafale, see the rapport. 


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#123 Chris Werb

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 1600 PM

The Rafale then evaluated did have the older PESA radar though and, according to the leaked summary 18 other improvements were promised by the French. The version to be delivered would have been the 'F3+'. The Eurofighter Typhoon in this competition had many deficiencies relative to the Rafale, see the rapport. 

 

Apart from lacking Brimstone, the Rafale got a much more comprehensive suite of air to surface weapons much earlier than Typhoon.


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 0615 AM

Certainly, but it was not limited to just the performance in possible strike missions. The Swiss identified weaknesses in the Typhoon's EW suite, its integration of sensor data (radar, EW, IRST etc), limitations in range and systems reliability relative to the Rafale, as well as having a rather basic recce pod (the RecceLite) during the test. They were even more critical of the Gripen, which performed poorer than their current F/A-18C/D in certain roles. Nonetheless, the winner of that competition was a then future version of the Gripen, based on cost.


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#125 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 0635 AM

At the risk of sounding critical, but what makes the Swiss such an authority on air combat? :)


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 1019 AM

The Swiss only considered EF upgrades up to P1E (which was early limited OC Swing role), we are now looking at phase 3 upgrades..


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 1048 AM

At the risk of sounding critical, but what makes the Swiss such an authority on air combat? :)

Aerial combat and policing was just one of the roles the various aircraft were judged on. The Swiss were able to do a direct comparison of the various contenders. However, the technical details have not been released. 


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 1121 AM

The Swiss only considered EF upgrades up to P1E (which was early limited OC Swing role), we are now looking at phase 3 upgrades..

 

 

Well, the Eurofighter/Typhoon had been under development for 30+ years at that time.

Many shortcomings stemmed from the intent to develop a pure air superiority fighter, with intentional neglect of ground and naval strike purposes.

 

The French wanted a multi-role aircraft all the way and were not that conservative or slow on radar technology, so they did A LOT right that the other European MoDs got wrong.

 

 

@Daan; there are systemic reasons for why Swiss and Finnish evaluations should be treated as special cases. They have no robust AEW and poor ground radar support opportunities (Switzerland - mountains, Finland - too large). Their air forces are forced to require a greater self-sufficiency for a flight of fighters than most major air forces.


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 1312 PM

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