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Posted 14 June 2016 - 0338 AM

The Australian competition to replace its upgraded M113AS4 Armoured Personnel Carrier has opened with a bang @ Eurosatory 2016 with Rheinmetall unveiling the Lynx.

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Posted 14 June 2016 - 0758 AM

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Posted 14 June 2016 - 0911 AM

What is that hull? Reminds me of a reworked Marder IFV.
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Posted 14 June 2016 - 0926 AM

Because it is. ;)

 

Of course Rhinemetall marketing office will say otherwise. ;)


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Posted 14 June 2016 - 0934 AM

Look at the Lynx by DTR Magazine.

 

And I don't think that's a Marder hull. Dimensions given for the KF 31 variant are 7.2 x 3.6 meters, with the KF 41 being half a meter longer. Marder is 6.79 x 3.24 meters. Now I could believe that the greater length is due to overhang of the gun on the same hull, but it's still more than 30 centimeters wider. And that's not through applique armor on the same hull, since the sides don't bulge that much outside the tracks. I'd guess the similarity is because there's only so many ways to shape an IFV hull.


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Posted 14 June 2016 - 1103 AM

One was an APC, the other a IFV. The M113 is basically an armoured box with volume that can be used. What is the Aussie desired goal an APC or an IFV?


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Posted 14 June 2016 - 1551 PM

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Posted 14 June 2016 - 1752 PM

One was an APC, the other a IFV. The M113 is basically an armoured box with volume that can be used. What is the Aussie desired goal an APC or an IFV?


The project title is LAND 400 Phase 3 Infantry Fighting Vehicle. The AS4 is an armoured box, but it does have an indigenously developed turret that is power operated, fitted with day & night sights.
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Posted 14 June 2016 - 1754 PM

Other contenders include the CV9035, & possibly the ASCOD II. Namer has also been mentioned.
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Posted 14 June 2016 - 2050 PM

Why did Rheinmetall offer a completely new vehicle instead of the in production Puma?


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Posted 14 June 2016 - 2233 PM

Puma too few dismounts.


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Posted 14 June 2016 - 2344 PM

To my eye the hull doesn't look any larger than that of the Puma.

 

Speaking of the Puma I had thought it only carried six dismounts because the Bundeswehr wanted to the match the unit organization used by the Marder. Yet are different seating configurations not possible? Wasn't going to an unmanned turret supposed to free up some space?


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Posted 15 June 2016 - 0200 AM

There are two versions - the KF31 & the KF41. The -41 is half a metre longer.

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Posted 15 June 2016 - 0251 AM

Rubber bandtracks at 40+ t?

It was claimed that they work well (if at all) only on vehicles of up to about 30 t !


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Posted 15 June 2016 - 0516 AM

To my eye the hull doesn't look any larger than that of the Puma.

 

Speaking of the Puma I had thought it only carried six dismounts because the Bundeswehr wanted to the match the unit organization used by the Marder. Yet are different seating configurations not possible? Wasn't going to an unmanned turret supposed to free up some space?

 

Inside Puma you can fit 8 dismounts max, however in German Puma, the space directly under unmanned turret is occupied by storage area.

 

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With making chassis a bit longer, you could probably fit 9 dismounts meeting US Army requirements, for a price of extra weight.


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Posted 15 June 2016 - 0814 AM

Puma too few dismounts.


All the Panzergrenadiere I know grumble, they would have preferred 8 men dismount group. But it had to fit a certain aeroplane. Realistically the Puma will be delivered by Ilyushin or Antonov if ever. Maybe a C-17. Which all would.have made it possible to make it slightly bigger. <_<


And the Puma is bloody expensive because of the A400M transport requirement, so expensive lightweight components had to be fitted.
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Posted 15 June 2016 - 0826 AM

Ah, the mighty requirements for A400M, I wonder why nobody was thinking about combo of A400M and C-17A? Which would make more sense.


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Posted 15 June 2016 - 0832 AM

Apparently the ASCOD II will be fitted with the Kongsberg RCT-30 remote turret, common to Thales' Phase 2 offer, the LAV 6.0 (CRV).
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Posted 15 June 2016 - 0934 AM

Very sensible decision from GDLS.


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Posted 15 June 2016 - 1420 PM

Very sensible decision from GDLS.


GDLS has teamed with Thales & Kongsberg for Land 400 (led by Thales). I think their Phase 2 offering will not progress to the Risk Mitigation Activity phase.
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