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#41 Markus Becker

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Posted 10 August 2019 - 1729 PM

From somewhere else:

"It's being speculated that the Conspiracy Theory Industry Trade Association might have had Epstein killed in an attempt to increase 2019 industry sales volume over 2018's figures."

Watch out for 2020 guys!
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Posted 10 August 2019 - 1758 PM

Miami Herald on the unsealed documents.

 

Some high caliber conspiracy theory.


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Posted 10 August 2019 - 1809 PM

Some high caliber conspiracy theory.


So The Joooz did it! Or maybe the Illuminati or the Lizard People (assuming they're all separate groups). Certainly not the Clintons.
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Posted 10 August 2019 - 1829 PM

Of course, it is high caliber conspiracy theory, after all. What did you expect? Albino Opus Dei assassins?


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Posted 10 August 2019 - 1836 PM

Barr does not trust the FBI to do their job and investigate this mess, so he is having the DOJ IG look into it as well.  https://www.thegatew...epsteins-death/   The FBI has become so corrupt that perhaps they had something to do with his "suicide" and that is why Barr is having the IG look into it as well.


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Posted 10 August 2019 - 1838 PM

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LOL, notice Twitter took down Clinton Body Count VERY quickly, hmmmmm.


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#47 Mr King

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Posted 10 August 2019 - 1851 PM

LOL, notice Twitter took down Clinton Body Count VERY quickly, hmmmmm.

 

 

 

 

They replaced it with "trump body count" 

 

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#48 Ivanhoe

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Posted 10 August 2019 - 2020 PM

 

Some high caliber conspiracy theory.


So The Joooz did it! Or maybe the Illuminati or the Lizard People (assuming they're all separate groups). Certainly not the Clintons.

 

 

The Illuminati work for the Reptilians (they hate being called Lizard People). The Templars are the military wing of the Illuminati. I thought everyone knew that.

 

The Ills couldn't have garnered all that secret power without the tech transfer from the Reptilians.


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Posted 10 August 2019 - 2144 PM

 

 

the suicide.

If Epstein was what the courts say he was then why wasn't there a suicide watch?

It's a pretty routine procedure.  After his "near death" the other day (read as murder attempt) how come he wasn't under 24 hour surveillance?

We here in the USA tend to brag about rights.  Well guess  what, cross the wrong people and your rights mean nothing here.

To me that is a shame.

Everyone should be tried in the same Judicial system

 

He was on suicide watch.

 

But that doesn't protect you from being suicided. 

 

 

New data: he was alone in his cell, he was out of suicide watch, and his cell's CCTV camera malfunctioned.

 

:rolleyes:

 

 

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Posted 11 August 2019 - 0119 AM

Did anyone check his cell for a Grassy Knoll?


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Posted 11 August 2019 - 0425 AM

 

That's the most extensive report I've seen so far. It also sorts the suspected dos and don'ts nicely:

 

[...]

 

One of the men accused of having sex with one of Epstein’s victims is former Maine Senator George Mitchell, the once formidable Senate Democratic minority leader who in 2008 — the same year the Epstein deal was finalized — was named one of Time magazine’s most influential people.

 

[...]

 

The names of some prominent men Giuffre says she was directed to have sex with are spattered throughout the approximately 2,000 pages released Friday.

 

Besides Mitchell, they include: the late scientist Marvin Minsky, modeling scout Jean-Luc Brunel, former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, 71, Hyatt hotels magnate Tom Pritzker, 69, and prominent hedge fund manager Glenn Dubin, 62. Giuffre has previously identified Epstein’s lawyer, Alan Dershowitz, 80, and Prince Andrew, 59, as two of the people with whom she had sex.

 

All the men have issued denials, with some, including Dershowitz, insisting they never met Giuffre. No charges have been filed against anyone other than Epstein, who was indicted last month in New York on two counts of sex trafficking.

 

[...]

 

[...]

 

Giuffre, as part of her sworn testimony, also states that she met former President Bill Clinton, former Vice President Al Gore and future President Donald Trump, and that Epstein once held a dinner for Clinton on his island, Little St. James, off the coast of St. Thomas.

 

She said in a 2016 deposition she met Trump through her father, Sky, who worked as a maintenance man at Trump’s Palm Beach home, Mar-a-Lago, and that to her knowledge, neither Trump nor Clinton had any intimate contact with “us’’ — referring to a group of girls Epstein kept at his beck and call for sex.

 

Giuffre’s lawyer, David Boies, said there is nothing in the Maxwell case that showed any wrongdoing by Clinton, Gore or Trump.

 

“We know both Trump and Clinton were associated with Epstein at various times in various ways, but in terms of what we have, there’s no indication that any of the three of them did anything improper.’’

 

[...]

 

Regardless of whether you believe all the accusations, the unsealing isn't likely to have triggered any immediate nefarious action to have Epstein killed in jail however. While some of the names are new AFAIK, at least Prince Andrew and Dershowitz have been named before, and there is nothing against Trump or Clinton in there (though I note that secondary sources of different partisanship have seized upon the alleged Clinton dinner and Trump once flying on one of Epstein's planes all the way back in 1997 respectively).

 

Also, as the documents were published the damage to the accused would have been done already. Of course people might have wanted to prevent Epstein from adding further details, but that could have been done at any time; if the accusations were true, they would have known they would be implicated anyway. Though obviously "at any time" includes "now".

 

OTOH, the emerging details would certainly be reason for Epstein to kill himself rather than face trial and prison. The circumstances of his death are highly suspicious, but as noted he wouldn't be the first to overcome safeguards. I'm immediately reminded of the Leipzig would-be suicide bomber who was considered possibly suicidal by the way judge, but not the prison psychologist, and promptly killed himself in his cell after being taken off suicide watch.

 

Not to speak of the RAF terrorists who spawned enduring conspiracy theories by their suicides at Stammheim, because naturally people found it hard to believe that somebody could shoot himself in the back of his neck in prison. While it was subsequently shown they had been supplied with the guns by their lawyers in ring binders with hollowed-out pages which didn't go through the metal detectors at the trial due to the metal rings, some still voice suspicions that it was at least allowed to happen by prison staff despite continuous surveillance.


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Posted 11 August 2019 - 0941 AM

Regardless of whether you believe all the accusations, the unsealing isn't likely to have triggered any immediate nefarious action to have Epstein killed in jail however. While some of the names are new AFAIK, at least Prince Andrew and Dershowitz have been named before, and there is nothing against Trump or Clinton in there (though I note that secondary sources of different partisanship have seized upon the alleged Clinton dinner and Trump once flying on one of Epstein's planes all the way back in 1997 respectively).


Lately, Dershowitz has been calling BS on the accusations;

https://www.thedaily...out-sex-with-me

Things are certainly weird surrounding the accusations against Dershowitz;

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In an interview with Business Insider early last year, Dershowitz said he could account for all of the time during which he was alleged to have had sex with Jane Doe No. 3.

"There is no conceivable possibility that it could have happened," he said.

A federal judge ended up striking the claims made in that motion from the court record last year, as Bloomberg BNA reported.

Meanwhile, Edwards and Cassell noted in their statement Friday that Dershowitz had produced travel records to establish he couldn't have been present during the supposed misconduct, in addition to other allegations to refute the claims against him.

What's strange to me is that the folks who are implicated by the evidence have enough power to have protected Dershowitz after the first criminal court go-round, but didn't. You would think they would bend over backwards to protect a high-prestige lawyer protecting the guy with the videotapes etc. 


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Posted 11 August 2019 - 1021 AM

Lately, Dershowitz has been calling BS on the accusations;

https://www.thedaily...out-sex-with-me

 

Alan Dershowitz: Unsealed Email and Manuscript Show Epstein Accuser Lied About Sex With Me

 

The embattled Harvard Law professor says the document shows that one of Epstein’s accusers concocted sex accusation against him.

 

 

Updated 08.10.19 4:38AM ET / Published 08.09.19 10:41PM ET

 

Lawyer Alan Dershowitz claims an email buried in a mountain of just-unsealed court documents proves that one of Jeffrey Epstein’s accusers lied when she said she was farmed out for sex with him as a teenager.

 

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But Dershowitz claims one document in particular also poses a problem for Giuffre: a 2011 email exchange between her and a British tabloid reporter who had interviewed her about her years under Epstein’s sway.

 

In the email, Giuffre told the Mail on Sunday reporter, Sharon Churcher, she was racing to meet a deadline for a draft of what she would later describe as a “fictionalized account” of what happened to her.

 

“Just wondering if you have any information on you from when you and I were doing interviews about the J.E. story,” Giuffre wrote Churcher.

 

“I wanted to put the names of some of the assholes, oops, I meant to say, pedo’s, that J.E. sent me to. With everything going on, my brain feels like mush and it would be a great deal of help!” Giuffre added.

 

The emails in the court file shows Churcher responded: “Don’t forget Alan Dershowitz… J.E.’s buddy and lawyer...good name for your pitch as he repped Claus von Bulow and a movie was made about that case… title was Reversal of Fortune. We all suspect Alan is a pedo and tho no proof of that, you probably met him when he was hanging out with JE.”

 

Giuffre’s reply contained no reference to Dershowitz, just a simple, “Thanks again Shazza, I’m bringing down the house with this book!!”

 

[...]

 

Court papers filed by Giuffre’s legal team say she began writing the manuscript on the advice of her mental-health counselor as a way to work through her trauma. She explored the idea of selling it but ultimately decided not to publish it, they said.

 

[...]

 

Asked about Dershowitz’s claim that the email shows Giuffre had failed to accuse him of sexual misconduct before she filed her lawsuit, Boies’ firm sent a statement from his co-counsel, Sigrid McCawley, that did not directly address the issue.

 

“The denials of those accused of participating in Jeffrey Epstein's horrific sex trafficking operation are predictable and have long been anticipated,” McCawley said.  “The truth will have the final word.”

 

It continued: “The body of evidence amassed in the case against Ghislaine Maxwell—Jeffrey Epstein's recruiter-in-chief, trainer, and sometimes, co-abuser—is powerful. Some of it was unsealed by the Second Circuit; we are hopeful more will come out. 

 

“The documents and exhibits should be carefully examined for the vivid, detailed and tragic story they tell in the face of cursory, bumper-sticker like statements by those accused. Virginia Roberts Giuffre is a survivor and a woman to be believed.  She believes a reckoning of inevitable accountability has begun.”

 

[...]

 

 

Unfortunately it all has a familiar ring to it from other high-profile cases of sex accusations. I have no doubt Epstein himself took advantage of underage girls. It's highly imaginable he farmed them out to his cronies, too, but stuff like this casts doubt on any of the individual cases.

 

As an aside, I always get miffed when somebody found boinking even 16/17-year-olds gets immediately labeled a "pedo" for public consumption. While some of Epstein's victims were allegedly as young as 14, that alone doesn't meet the definition of pedophilia either, which is about pre-pubescent persons. It's another term that gets hollowed out by overuse for ulterior motives.


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Posted 11 August 2019 - 1111 AM

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"Suicide"

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He supposedly tries to commit suiced a couple of weeks ago. Everyone is given the impression he's on suicide watch. He commits suicide in spite of that. Now they say he wasn't on suicide watch. Why? If he tried to kill himself a couple of weeks ago, he should have been. Now there's a report(unconfirmed) the CCTV just happened to be out. He was THE star witness in one of the federal government's biggest cases yet he wasn't under observation. Captain Renault saying "We haven't quite decided if he committed suicide or died while trying to escape." has more credibility than this bullshit.

A number of people have tweeted some variation of "If you're surprised Epstein committed suicide, imagine how surprised he was.". Why do it so soon? He hadn't even started to make his case yet and apparently, he had more than a slight chance of having it thrown out under double jeopardy because of the expansive wording on the original prosecution agreement. If he did kill himself, it was only because he was allowed to. I'd check the guards and see who suddenly inherited a LOT of money from a long lost aunt they never spoke about.


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Posted 11 August 2019 - 1121 AM

Clinton Body Count (we need to add an Obama body count as well):  https://www.thegatew...effrey-epstein/

 

In 2016 CBS Las Vegas posted a list of Bill and Hillary Clinton associates alleged to have died under mysterious circumstances.

Here is that list.

1- James McDougal – Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.

2 – Mary Mahoney – A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown .. The murder …happened just after she was to go public w:th her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

 

3 – Vince Foster – Former White House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

4 – Ron Brown – Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the Air Traffic controller commited suicide.

5 – C. Victor Raiser, II – Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

6 – Paul Tulley – Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a “dear friend and trusted advisor”.

7 – Ed Willey – Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

8 – Jerry Parks – Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

9 – James Bunch – Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas

10 – James Wilson – Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater..

11 – Kathy Ferguson – Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

12 – Bill Shelton – Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.

13 – Gandy Baugh – Attorney for Clinton’s friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

14 – Florence Martin – Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mena, Arkansas, airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.

15 – Suzanne Coleman – Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

16 – Paula Grober – Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17 – Danny Casolaro – Investigative reporter, investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.

18 – Paul Wilcher – Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993, in his Washington DC apartment had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

19 – Jon Parnell Walker – Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington ,Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.

20 – Barbara Wise – Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death: Unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, naked body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

21 – Charles Meissner – Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

22 – Dr. Stanley Heard – Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton ‘s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.

23 – Barry Seal – Drug running TWA pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no accident.

24 – Johnny Lawhorn, Jr. – Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.

25 – Stanley Huggins – Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.

26 – Hershell Friday – Attorney and Clinton fundraiser died March 1, 1994, when his plane exploded.

27 – Kevin Ives & Don Henry – Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

28 – Keith Coney – Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.

29 – Keith McMaskle – Died, stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988

30 – Gregory Collins – Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

31 – Jeff Rhodes – He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

32 – James Milan – Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to natural causes”.

34 – Richard Winters – A suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE ALSO DEAD
35 – Major William S. Barkley, Jr.
36 – Captain Scott J . Reynolds
37 – Sgt. Brian Hanley
38 – Sgt. Tim Sabel
39 – Major General William Robertson
40 – Col. William Densberger
41 – Col. Robert Kelly
42 – Spec. Gary Rhodes
43 – Steve Willis
44 – Robert Williams
45 – Conway LeBleu
46 – Todd McKeehan

And the most recent, Seth Rich, the DC staffer murdered and “robbed” (of nothing) on July 10. Wikileaks found Assange claims he had info on the DNC email scandal.

Not Included in this list are the 4 heroes killed in Benghazi.

And today you can add multi-millionaire Jeffrey Epstein to the list.
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Posted 11 August 2019 - 1122 AM

[cross posted]

 

"Suicide"

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He supposedly tries to commit suiced a couple of weeks ago. Everyone is given the impression he's on suicide watch. He commits suicide in spite of that. Now they say he wasn't on suicide watch. Why? If he tried to kill himself a couple of weeks ago, he should have been. Now there's a report(unconfirmed) the CCTV just happened to be out. He was THE star witness in one of the federal government's biggest cases yet he wasn't under observation. Captain Renault saying "We haven't quite decided if he committed suicide or died while trying to escape." has more credibility than this bullshit.

A number of people have tweeted some variation of "If you're surprised Epstein committed suicide, imagine how surprised he was.". Why do it so soon? He hadn't even started to make his case yet and apparently, he had more than a slight chance of having it thrown out under double jeopardy because of the expansive wording on the original prosecution agreement. If he did kill himself, it was only because he was allowed to. I'd check the guards and see who suddenly inherited a LOT of money from a long lost aunt they never spoke about.

I suspect he was downright shocked that he was being helped to commit suicide.


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Posted 11 August 2019 - 1138 AM

Democrats are panicked over the Epstein murder, and are issuing talking points to keep it away from all the Democrats who flew on the Lolita Express and enjoyed sex with children:  https://www.thegatew...talking-points/


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Posted 11 August 2019 - 1220 PM

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Posted 11 August 2019 - 1221 PM

I wonder how long it will take the FBI to get it completely covered up?


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#60 Ivanhoe

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Posted 11 August 2019 - 1520 PM

https://nypost.com/2...killed-himself/

 

There’s no way that man could have killed himself. I’ve done too much time in those units. It’s an impossibility.

Between the floor and the ceiling is like eight or nine feet. There’s no way for you to connect to anything.

You have sheets, but they’re paper level, not strong enough. He was 200 pounds — it would never happen.

When you’re on suicide watch, they put you in this white smock, a straight jacket. They know a person cannot be injurious to themselves.

 


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