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#4201 KV7

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Posted 15 June 2019 - 0532 AM

I don't see the point of getting really high velocity for something used at short range. If you want armor penetration, it can be done in very many compact and off the shelf weapons, with suitable ammunition.


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#4202 Panzermann

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Posted 16 June 2019 - 0614 AM

I don't see the point of getting really high velocity for something used at short range. If you want armor penetration, it can be done in very many compact and off the shelf weapons, with suitable ammunition.


Maybe the idea is to get armour piercing effect with cheaper ammuniton than usual? that is at least the only rationale I can think of.


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#4203 Markus Becker

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Posted 16 June 2019 - 0638 AM

Considering the barrel wear that sounds like poor economy, doesn't it? Or someone is just using up R&D funds.
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#4204 KV7

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Posted 16 June 2019 - 0833 AM

 

I don't see the point of getting really high velocity for something used at short range. If you want armor penetration, it can be done in very many compact and off the shelf weapons, with suitable ammunition.


Maybe the idea is to get armour piercing effect with cheaper ammuniton than usual? that is at least the only rationale I can think of.

 

Cheapo steel core 5.56 fired from a carbine is more than good enough surely ? And if not then you can use a bullpup with full length barrel. Or any carbine in the 6.5mm Creedmoor etc.


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#4205 bojan

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Posted 16 June 2019 - 0838 AM

Or just use HE. Not everything is or will ever be covered by a body armor.


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Posted 16 June 2019 - 0847 AM

Even something like Dragunov SVU with the muzzle break and full auto (OTs-03A) gives you more than enough power in a compact rifle.


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#4207 Simon Tan

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Posted 16 June 2019 - 0919 AM

Leg meta.
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#4208 Chris Werb

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Posted 16 June 2019 - 0952 AM

Leg meta.

 

I had to google that :)


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#4209 shep854

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Posted 16 June 2019 - 1033 AM

Leg meta.

 
I had to google that :)
So Simon; obtuse and opaque--I couldn't find a simple description.
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#4210 Chris Werb

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Posted 16 June 2019 - 1048 AM

 

 

Leg meta.

 
I had to google that :)
So Simon; obtuse and opaque--I couldn't find a simple description.

 

 

Here you go :)

https://www.youtube....h?v=-i5JfgIOD3s


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#4211 rmgill

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Posted 16 June 2019 - 1052 AM

Shooting the legs I think. Aka Mozambique drill. Two to the pelvic girdle, one to the head. Repeat.

Pelvic girdle is a good target because critical arterial paths and if you break their pelvic area, they're not gonna walk very well at all. Muscles need rigid bone to work against, floppy bone structure doesn't work well.


On first thought though, it sounds like an Ikea item.

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Posted 16 June 2019 - 1129 AM

More critically, good part of head and neck are not covered.


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#4213 Simon Tan

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Posted 16 June 2019 - 1135 AM

Economy of bytes. 


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Posted 16 June 2019 - 1748 PM

Since the focus is on ammo and armor, InRange is starting a series testing various calibers and bullets against personal plate:


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Posted 21 June 2019 - 0755 AM

Best-kept secret??


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#4216 Panzermann

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 0700 AM

Best-kept secret??

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Not really, many countries outside NATO have bought it. And Estonia iirc. But it came rather late to the market, much already taken by the FN Minimi.


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Posted 22 June 2019 - 0757 AM

The whole thing of having semiauto to zero optics. It would be a bit of a faff, but why not just load one round at a time? A belt with one live and several dummy cartridges would do. Also, how do existing users get on with LMGs that don't have the semiauto feature?


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Posted 22 June 2019 - 1802 PM

 

Best-kept secret??

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Not really, many countries outside NATO have bought it. And Estonia iirc. But it came rather late to the market, much already taken by the FN Minimi.

 

i did get to hold it and fiddle it during basic training, but not to shoot. basicly it was not much liked i gather from local mil. board, maybe because we bought very early examples with kids diseases or not  just enough squaddie-proof . MAG/ksp-58 and MG-3 seem to be much more liked, esp. the first . however well made or not, it´s still 5,56 vs 7,62

 

edited to add. lots of our negev problems might have been caused by re-loading and re-re-re-re-loading ammo belts for training 


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Posted 23 June 2019 - 0428 AM

Looks like something out of the ACME catalog

 

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 0556 AM

The whole thing of having semiauto to zero optics. It would be a bit of a faff, but why not just load one round at a time? A belt with one live and several dummy cartridges would do. Also, how do existing users get on with LMGs that don't have the semiauto feature?

With PKM, since it uses non-disintegrating belt you load one skip one.


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