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#1 Dawes

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Posted 11 April 2019 - 1827 PM

In the US, there seems to be somewhat of a "Retro" movement in the AR-15 market, with Brownell's in particular introducing several earlier variants from the 1960's. Windham's take on this is sort of a "Frankengun" with a mishmash of A1 and A2 features. This includes an A1 rear sight and an A2 front sight. Presumably there's no zeroing/accuracy issues arising from this combination?

 

https://www.windhamw.../a1-government/


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Posted 11 April 2019 - 2124 PM

The A2 front post only has 4 notches for initial elevation zeroing, with fine elevation adjustment done with the rear sight. The A1 post has 5 notches and is the only elevation adjustment for the M16A1.
All this means is that elevation adjustments are coarser when an A2 post is combined with an A1 rear.
The two posts are interchangeable, though. Simply screw one out and install the other.
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Posted 11 April 2019 - 2203 PM

If the handguards were swapped out for the A2 style, could it pass for a Canadian C7 copy?


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Posted 11 April 2019 - 2206 PM

Close enough.
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#5 Panzermann

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 0415 AM

If the handguards were swapped out for the A2 style, could it pass for a Canadian C7 copy?

 

 

Close enough.

 

You'd have to paint it green.  ^_^

 

 

And take a hacksaw to cut it to 18" barrel length. What is a gunbubba called in Canada? :D


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#6 Chris Werb

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 0537 AM

C7 has a 20 inch barrel.
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Posted 13 April 2019 - 0703 AM

I want to put together an 'A1-ish' clone, but I'm not going to obsess over every detail.  Until I read about them, I didn't know about all the changes that have been made to the lower receiver; to the casual observer, they aren't very obvious.


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#8 Panzermann

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 0714 AM

C7 has a 20 inch barrel.

 

Yes, you are right. I think they shortened it with the A1.

 

 

 

I want to put together an 'A1-ish' clone, but I'm not going to obsess over every detail.  Until I read about them, I didn't know about all the changes that have been made to the lower receiver; to the casual observer, they aren't very obvious.

 

Whaaat? You totally see if there is detail ABC missing or not. ;)


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Posted 13 April 2019 - 0931 AM

Windham could probably market these as a notional "compromise" rifle. Remember, the Army originally saw the M16A2 as totally unsuitable for Army use. They didn't like the 1:7 barrel twist (preferring a 1:9 twist as optimal), the extended stock, the A2 barrel profile, and especially the new rear sight. According to the study they commissioned, the M16A1 was more accurate than the A2 out to 500 meters, more reliable, and the buttstock was more suited to smaller individuals. And (probably worse), the A2 was a Marine initiative.

 

An alternate history scenario might be: "In 1983 Army and Marine representatives met in the Pentagon to hash out the specifications for an upgraded M16 rifle. In the end, the USMC agreed to let the Army keep the A1 handguards, pistol grip, rear sight, and flash suppressor but went with the new barrel profile, rifling twist, and longer buttstock. This new variant was designated the M16C (for"Compromise")". :D


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#10 Markus Becker

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 2252 PM

A retro AR-15 sort of sounds like an oxymoron, given how modern the gun is. Still is, it goes back to the 50s. Let's hear it for future proofing!
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Posted 14 April 2019 - 1008 AM

 

C7 has a 20 inch barrel.

 

Yes, you are right. I think they shortened it with the A1.

 

 

 

 

I can't find any source that states the C7's barrel was shortened on later versions. They all look to have normal 20" barrels to me. 


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Posted 19 April 2019 - 2019 PM

Picked this up today. I'll say this for Windham Weaponry - they make a damn pretty AR:

 

 

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#13 rmgill

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Posted 19 April 2019 - 2042 PM

Gotta run 20 round magazines in it!
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Posted 19 April 2019 - 2208 PM

Gotta run 20 round magazines in it!

Brownells 20 rders


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#15 shep854

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Posted 19 April 2019 - 2235 PM

Picked this up today. I'll say this for Windham Weaponry - they make a damn pretty AR:
 
 
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Nice! Even though thestock looks a little long, like an A2
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#16 Simon Tan

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Posted 19 April 2019 - 2238 PM

Brownells.
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Posted 19 April 2019 - 2259 PM

 

Picked this up today. I'll say this for Windham Weaponry - they make a damn pretty AR:
 
 
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Nice! Even though thestock looks a little long, like an A2

 

 

According the link in the OP, it is. Same for the barrel.


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#18 Panzermann

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Posted 23 April 2019 - 1434 PM

A retro AR-15 sort of sounds like an oxymoron, given how modern the gun is. Still is, it goes back to the 50s. Let's hear it for future proofing!

 

The original Armalite AR-15 is from 1959...


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#19 shep854

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Posted 23 April 2019 - 1506 PM


 

Picked this up today. I'll say this for Windham Weaponry - they make a damn pretty AR:
 
 
QsLXfgFl.jpg

Nice! Even though thestock looks a little long, like an A2
 
 
According the link in the OP, it is. Same for the barrel.
Yep. There it is, along with brass deflector and safety markings on both sides of the lower: Amazing what there is to learn by clicking and reading!!! :P
Still, it should give years of reliable service. Good catch, Dawes!

Edited by shep854, 23 April 2019 - 1511 PM.

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#20 rmgill

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Posted 23 April 2019 - 1755 PM

Two or so weeks ago I found an army surplus web store that specialized in Vietnam era hardware and webbing...wish I could recall the url. 


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