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#1 Dawes

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 1312 PM

Presumably this gets a foot in the door for wider adoption? One would think that .338 Norma would be a rather expensive round, though. Ordered by the million I guess the price would drop measurably.

 

https://www.sigsauer...8-machine-guns/


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#2 Chris Werb

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 1327 PM

Presumably this gets a foot in the door for wider adoption? One would think that .338 Norma would be a rather expensive round, though. Ordered by the million I guess the price would drop measurably.

 

https://www.sigsauer...8-machine-guns/

 

Part of it is you end up using less of it to achieve the same effect. At least that's the sales pitch :)


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Posted 17 January 2020 - 1334 PM

3rd paragraph?

"The SIG MG 338 bridges the gap between the current machine guns currently in use with the U.S. Military. In comparison to the current M240 (7.62x51cal) machine gun, which has been in service with the U.S. Military for 60 years, the SIG MG 338, is noticeably lighter, weighing only 20 pounds, and provides significantly more range and lethality. In comparison to the M2 (.50cal), which has been in service with the U.S. Military for 110 years............"


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Posted 17 January 2020 - 1338 PM

Has the M240 been in US service for 60 years?


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#5 Chris Werb

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 1345 PM

Adopted 1977 as vehicle MG for M1 Abrams according to Wiki.

 

https://en.wikipedia...240_machine_gun

 

The 0.50 has been around since a tad under 100 years. Not 110. Not sure when it actually entered service - where is Bob Belser when we need him most? :)  


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Posted 17 January 2020 - 1443 PM

IIRC 1921 or 23.


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#7 R011

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 2003 PM

The MAG 58 has been around for sixty-two years, but not in US service. When did the UK adopt it? The .50 has been around a century, but the M2 version is a bit over eighty years old.
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Posted 18 January 2020 - 1142 AM

General Dynamics must be puking - and will no doubt send its lawyers to delay the contract for SIG.

 

https://en.wikipedia...ium_Machine_Gun


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Posted 20 January 2020 - 2138 PM

Could he have been referring to the 7.62X51mm NATO round that the M-240 fires? IIRC, the US Army adopted it in 1957 with the M-14,which is 63 years ago.



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Posted 20 January 2020 - 2350 PM

They could mean that, but most likely they mean what they wrote and were more interested in making a sales pitch than being accurate.
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Posted 25 January 2020 - 1511 PM

The idea is to replace both GPMG's and HMG's with a 338 caliber medium sized option.  Something which should have been done a generation ago, if not further back.  Any place you use a 50cal, you should probably be using a Mk19/Mk47, or IMO, something like a reduced size ASP-30, using a modernized 30x113 HEDP round at about 1050-1100 fps.  That is what the OCSW program should have done, if it wasn't just a green welfare program and taxpayer fleecing operation.  S/F....Ken M


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Posted 25 January 2020 - 1539 PM

The idea is to replace both GPMG's and HMG's with a 338 caliber medium sized option.  Something which should have been done a generation ago, if not further back.  Any place you use a 50cal, you should probably be using a Mk19/Mk47, or IMO, something like a reduced size ASP-30, using a modernized 30x113 HEDP round at about 1050-1100 fps.  That is what the OCSW program should have done, if it wasn't just a green welfare program and taxpayer fleecing operation.  S/F....Ken M

 

 

XM307 using the 30mm x 113 HEDP projectile but with a shorter case (~59mm) should get you about there


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#13 EchoFiveMike

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Posted 25 January 2020 - 1745 PM

Sure, whatever size is needed, not even more complicated than the Sov AGS-17, but we mess about like chumps and accept this farce.

 

A micro fuze, using a LRF to set airburst like AHEAD would be stupid simple, a child could probably do it in their cell phone.  

 

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Posted 26 January 2020 - 1218 PM

If you can create steerable .50" in experimental form, you should be able to do pretty much anything you want in 30mm. Proximity, time delay, guided, whatever. Pick any one or two of those, and it should be cheap, too.


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Posted 26 January 2020 - 1232 PM

I think AHEAD and KETF use a revolution counter for timing.


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