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#2541 RETAC21

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Posted 11 January 2020 - 1515 PM

 

Sure, no DSMAC/TERCOM. But in general computing power and sensor resolution have improved dramatically from the 1980's, and so DSMAC has become much easier and cheaper to do, and the accuracy has improved as well. And so Iranian missiles now appear (and plausibly can expected) to have an accuracy surpassing what anyone could do in the 1980's.

 

 

There was an interesting talk among some local engineers when they acquired HARM in 1999.

"We thought it would be very high tech, but it was on the level that we could have made in the late '80s, we could just never afford to mass produce it. Today (interview was sometime in 2004-5-6) we could even improve it with a commercial components".

That principle can be applied here - Guidance is '80s tech, well known to anyone. It was then improved by Iranians using commercial components (and those are widely available via China). So yes, it might be better than "true" '80s tech, but it is still based on the very well known things from the '80s and it should come as no surprise to anyone even remotely interested in topic that they were able to do it.

 

 

In weapons you don't want bleeding edge tech, you want reliable tech that delivers at the lowest possible cost.


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#2542 KV7

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Posted 11 January 2020 - 2224 PM

 

Sure, no DSMAC/TERCOM. But in general computing power and sensor resolution have improved dramatically from the 1980's, and so DSMAC has become much easier and cheaper to do, and the accuracy has improved as well. And so Iranian missiles now appear (and plausibly can expected) to have an accuracy surpassing what anyone could do in the 1980's.

 

 

There was an interesting talk among some local engineers when they acquired HARM in 1999.

"We thought it would be very high tech, but it was on the level that we could have made in the late '80s, we could just never afford to mass produce it. Today (interview was sometime in 2004-5-6) we could even improve it with a commercial components".

That principle can be applied here - Guidance is '80s tech, well known to anyone. It was then improved by Iranians using commercial components (and those are widely available via China). So yes, it might be better than "true" '80s tech, but it is still based on the very well known things from the '80s and it should come as no surprise to anyone even remotely interested in topic that they were able to do it.

 

Yes I totally agree. But your point can be made even stronger -  the original concept was already put into use on MGM-1 and MGM-13 by the US in the early 1950's. And the pre-1980's use of 'TERCOM-Aided Inertial Navigation System' was simply a workaround to deal with insufficient RAM, such that the terrain could only be mapped at a few select points used for updating the INS, similar in concept to stellar-inertial guidance. The bottleneck was just computing. 

 


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#2543 Adam Peter

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Posted 12 January 2020 - 1548 PM

Mortar bombs strike Iraqi military base of Balad, ​four wounded

 

 

Four people were wounded on Sunday in an attack on Balad air base in northern Iraq which houses US personnel.

 

The Iraqi military said in a statement that eight Katyusha rockets had been fired at the base, about 80 km (50 miles) north of the capital Baghdad, and that the four wounded included two officers.

 

Military sources identified the wounded as Iraqi soldiers. They said seven mortar bombs had hit the base's runway.

 

There was no word of any US casualties among the US forces at the base.

 

The Iraqi military statement did not say who was behind the attack and made no mention of heightened tensions between the United States and Iran, which last Wednesday fired missiles at two military bases in Iraq which house US forces.

REUTERS

 

 

A bit mixed what is what, or maybe rockets+mortars.


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#2544 Panzermann

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Posted 13 January 2020 - 1450 PM

Mortar bombs strike Iraqi military base of Balad, ​four wounded

 

 

A bit mixed what is what, or maybe rockets+mortars.

 

Reads like a mixed attack. The insurgents use whatever they have.

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously? They did not really have anything pertinent to Soleimani and his plans, when they decided to kill him?

 

 

Defense Secretary Mark Esper said Tuesday that the attack Soleimani was planning against Americans or U.S. installations was a matter of "days" away, although there were few details about who, what, how and precisely when.
 
Trump Says Killing Of Iranian General Was Necessary To 'Stop A War,' Not 'Start One'
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Trump Says Killing Of Iranian General Was Necessary To 'Stop A War,' Not 'Start One'
But the defense secretary, his colleagues and the president all said they believed they had done their duty to protect Americans and now Iran has an opening to step back from violence and opt for a return to the negotiating table.

 

 

 

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https://www.npr.org/...t=1578933934745

 

 

 

If anything more americans are going to be killed now. Congratulations.


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#2545 Ken Estes

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 0310 AM

 

Mortar bombs strike Iraqi military base of Balad, ​four wounded

 

 

A bit mixed what is what, or maybe rockets+mortars.

 

Reads like a mixed attack. The insurgents use whatever they have.

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously? They did not really have anything pertinent to Soleimani and his plans, when they decided to kill him?

 

 

Defense Secretary Mark Esper said Tuesday that the attack Soleimani was planning against Americans or U.S. installations was a matter of "days" away, although there were few details about who, what, how and precisely when.
 
Trump Says Killing Of Iranian General Was Necessary To 'Stop A War,' Not 'Start One'
POLITICS
Trump Says Killing Of Iranian General Was Necessary To 'Stop A War,' Not 'Start One'
But the defense secretary, his colleagues and the president all said they believed they had done their duty to protect Americans and now Iran has an opening to step back from violence and opt for a return to the negotiating table.

 

 

 

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https://www.npr.org/...t=1578933934745

 

 

 

If anything more americans are going to be killed now. Congratulations.

 

 

Thanks. You can rest assured that most of us have noticed the smell emitted by the White House and the executive departments such as Justice, State and Defense [really, all of them]. The decision tree in the Wrong Washington is very short, limited often to the 'gut' of the Clown in Chief and his desire to act out the role of a NYC mob don.

 

The correction to this is long overdue and the damage wrought far greater than I thought it would be in 2016.


Edited by Ken Estes, 14 January 2020 - 0315 AM.

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#2546 Rick

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 0420 AM

 

 

Mortar bombs strike Iraqi military base of Balad, ​four wounded

 

 

A bit mixed what is what, or maybe rockets+mortars.

 

Reads like a mixed attack. The insurgents use whatever they have.

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously? They did not really have anything pertinent to Soleimani and his plans, when they decided to kill him?

 

 

Defense Secretary Mark Esper said Tuesday that the attack Soleimani was planning against Americans or U.S. installations was a matter of "days" away, although there were few details about who, what, how and precisely when.
 
Trump Says Killing Of Iranian General Was Necessary To 'Stop A War,' Not 'Start One'
POLITICS
Trump Says Killing Of Iranian General Was Necessary To 'Stop A War,' Not 'Start One'
But the defense secretary, his colleagues and the president all said they believed they had done their duty to protect Americans and now Iran has an opening to step back from violence and opt for a return to the negotiating table.

 

 

 

​

https://www.npr.org/...t=1578933934745

 

 

 

If anything more americans are going to be killed now. Congratulations.

 

 

Thanks. You can rest assured that most of us have noticed the smell emitted by the White House and the executive departments such as Justice, State and Defense [really, all of them]. The decision tree in the Wrong Washington is very short, limited often to the 'gut' of the Clown in Chief and his desire to act out the role of a NYC mob don.

 

The correction to this is long overdue and the damage wrought far greater than I thought it would be in 2016.

 

It is easy to second guess a decision with out knowing all the information. Let's see how comrade Obama did shall we:

 

From a non-conservative https://foreignpolic...-policy-failure

 

From a never Trumper 

 
Every day I am thankful Trump is President and Clinton(Obama 2.0) is not!

Edited by Rick, 14 January 2020 - 0456 AM.

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#2547 MiloMorai

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 0713 AM

When the info is not forthcoming and honest, well...


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#2548 Ken Estes

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 1428 PM

When the info is not forthcoming and honest, well...

 

When crimes are being committed by political pretenders, the obstruction and obfuscation can be expected to increase at a high, often unprecedented rate [15,413 lies to date by the Clown in Chief].  There really has never been anything like this.

 

https://www.washingt...if-they-lie-us/

 

https://www.washingt...-is-bad-enough/

 

https://www.washingt...yed-his-voters/

 

<Sigh>  Then there is this little gem:

 

THE MYSTERY OF THE TRUMP CHAOS TRADES, IRAN/MAR-A-LAGO EDITION

Spikes in the Chicago E-mini market, and in defense stocks, preceded the announcement of the killing of Qasem Soleimani, not long after Trump reportedly told Mar-a-Lago guests he was working on a “big” response to Iran’s provocations. A coincidence?

 

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For whatever reason, the Twitterverse had already seemed highly attuned to suspicious trading in defense stocks after the Trump New Year’s Eve party at Mar-a-Lago, on December 31—where Trump told people days prior to the strike, according to the Daily Beast, that he was working on a “big” response to Iran provocations and “soon”—but before the Soleimani hit, which was after the stock markets had closed on January 2, the first full-day of trading of the New Year. Maybe it was a coincidence that many of the defense stocks rose on January 2. (There'd also been the rocket attack in Iraq, killing an American contractor, America’s retaliation, which killed 25 Iraqi militia fighters, and then the attack on the U.S. embassy in Baghdad.)

Dean Baker, an economist and the cofounder of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, in Washington, tweeted that it was “very interesting” that Lockheed Martin’s stock went up 2% on January 2. “Looks like a lot of people should go to jail,” he wrote. Bill Corbett, who describes himself on Twitter as an “unapologetic Masshole,” tweeted that it wasn’t just Lockheed’s stock that went up either. He noted that the stocks of General Dynamics, Boeing, and Raytheon—big defense contractors all—also “began to spike” after the Mar-a-Lago New Year’s party and before the killing. Jonathan Alter, the MSNBC regular and author, tweeted “If the SEC hasn’t been totally politicized (a big If), it shouldn’t be hard to match the Mar-a-Lago guests who heard Trump say to expect something big and their investments.”

When you write a story that suggests that people may have had access to advance knowledge of momentous events and then managed to make huge amounts of money trading on that information, you get a lot of criticism. You also hear from people around the world who see the same kind of things happening and wonder why. After the Soleimani killing, I heard from Fergus Herries, who works in Hong Kong in financial-sector public relations. Like Baker and Corbett, he noticed the unusual trading in the stocks of Raytheon and Lockheed Martin in the hours before the drone strike in Baghdad and wondered why their stocks began to “surge” an hour before the hit. “If it is insider trading it would be fairly gobsmacking,” he wrote, “not to mention brazen, and while the implications of your previous [V.F.] article are egregious, behaviour like this involving assassination and the prospect of armed conflict is on another level altogether.”

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

 

 

https://www.vanityfa...m_term=VYF_Hive

 

Edited by Ken Estes, 15 January 2020 - 0626 AM.

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#2549 Daan

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Posted 15 January 2020 - 0709 AM

Iran threatens Greece over US use of its military bases:

 

"The Greek paper Kathimerini reported on Monday that Iran’s regime said the use of US military bases in Greece would be considered a “hostile act” and the clerical regime would  respond “in a clear and decisive manner.”

 

The paper wrote that “The warning came in a letter sent by the Iranian embassy in Athens to Kathimerini, which was published on January 10 in the column Readers’ Letters. It was commenting on an article published in the newspaper on January 6, which stated that ‘Greece will have some involvement’ in case of a US operation against Iran, ‘though not with a warship… due to the extremely fragile balance’ in the Eastern Mediterranean.”

 

Iran’s embassy said that “The Islamic Republic of Iran has made it very clear that in the event of a US-led war against the country, the concession of [military] bases by any country to the American invader will be considered a hostile act and Iran reserves the right to respond in a clear and decisive manner."

 

https://www.jpost.co...ry-bases-614185


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#2550 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 15 January 2020 - 0808 AM

Where is my popcorn....


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#2551 GARGEAN

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Posted 15 January 2020 - 0917 AM

U.S. Warns Iraq It Risks Losing Access to Key Bank Account if Troops Told to Leave
Loss of access to New York Fed account, where international oil sale revenue is kept, risks creating cash crunch in Iraqs financial system

https://www.wsj.com/...ave-11578759629

So much about sovereign states these days...
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Posted 15 January 2020 - 0917 AM

Where is my popcorn....

The producer of that movie should be hung for crimes against historical accuracy. But I suppose it is a sort of passable gay soft porn.


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#2553 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 16 January 2020 - 0240 AM

 

Where is my popcorn....

The producer of that movie should be hung for crimes against historical accuracy. But I suppose it is a sort of passable gay soft porn.

 

ROTFLMAO :D
 


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Posted 16 January 2020 - 0302 AM

 

 

Where is my popcorn....

The producer of that movie should be hung for crimes against historical accuracy. But I suppose it is a sort of passable gay soft porn.

 

ROTFLMAO :D
 

 

Well, the whole concept is hardly new:

NAMABG-Colored_Alexander_Sarcophagus_1_r


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#2555 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 0302 AM

Looks like a typical evening on Hampstead Heath....


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Posted 17 January 2020 - 0400 AM

 

Where is my popcorn....

The producer of that movie should be hung for crimes against historical accuracy. But I suppose it is a sort of passable gay soft porn.

 

I like'd more the old version. Perhaps because it's as old as I'm :P


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#2557 BansheeOne

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 0451 AM

Some belated repercussions from the Iranian missile attack.

US soldiers 'were hurt' in Iran missile attack on Iraq base

2 hours ago

Some troops were transported to Germany, while others were moved to Kuwait, reporting symptoms of concussion. Iran fired dozens of missiles on January 8 and it was originally stated that there were no injuries.

Several US soldiers were treated for concussion following last week's Iranian missile attack on two bases in Iraq, US Central Command revealed late Thursday.

Initially it was reported that were neither fatalities nor injuries, a claim backed up by US President Donald Trump.

However, Captain Bill Urban admitted: "While no US service members were killed in the January 8 Iranian attack on Al Asad Air base, several were treated for concussion symptoms from the blast and are still being assessed."

"As a standard procedure, all personnel in the vicinity of a blast are screened for traumatic brain injury, and if deemed appropriate, are transported to a higher level of care," he said.

As a result, some troops were transported from Al Asad Air Base in Iraq to Landstuhl Medical Center in Germany, while other soldiers were sent to Camp Arifja in Kuwait. These moves were a precautionary measure as the service members received "follow-on screening."

"At this time, eight individuals have been transported to Landstuhl, and three have been transported to Camp Arifjan," Urban added.

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https://www.dw.com/e...base/a-52036649
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#2558 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 0454 AM

Someone was really keen not to retaliate.


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#2559 Ken Estes

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 1442 PM

‘You’re a bunch of dopes and babies’: Inside Trump’s stunning tirade against generals

 

It took a while for this to get out.

https://www.washingt...af6d_story.html


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Posted 17 January 2020 - 1543 PM

I feel a Downfall meme coming on.
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