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#541 Panzermann

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Posted 20 April 2019 - 0407 AM

Yeah the Leopard 2 naming gets into M1 A2 SEPv3 or T-55AM2PB territory.  :wacko: Just call it A7 and be done with it. 

 

 

 

FM Heiko Maas was getting on the way to NCY to chair the UNSC but the plane broke down. Again! This time on the runway in NYC but he still didn't make it :)

 

Most of those incidents have been mundane, if embarrassing due to the high visibility and the (at least perceived, due to corresponding media coverage) frequency; the most serious so far has been the electrical failure on Angela Merkel's flight to Argentina. However, the latest instance appears to have been positively life-threatening, fortunately occurring on a check flight of a Global 5000 after industry maintenance, with just the crew aboard.

 

Soon after take-off, they experienced uncontrolled rolling and a stall, and returned to Berlin-Schönefeld immediately. The problem reappeared during approach at just 1,000 feet, when the aircraft started rolling hard right without command. It missed the runway, touched down on the ramp and skid across multiple taxiways and grass areas, striking the ground with both wings in the process and ending up on another runway. They were damn lucky that nothing was in their way.

 

youtube.com/watch?v=fxSolVlJtyE

 

As it is, the aircraft suffered considerable structural damage, including on the undercarriage; the fuselage may have been warped, too. The crew was medically checked out, but no major injuries were reported. It is suspected that the spoilers were set wrong during maintenance. Shades of the Tiger crash in Mali where the same happened with the cyclic main rotor steering.

 

 

The test flight did what it was supposed to do. And it is most probably Bombardier's fault, that the bird did not fly anymore. they had for repair and overhaul after all. Although inconvenient it is not the Bundeswehr's fault. If the fuselage is warped, does bombardier have to deliver a new plane? The bird is only a few years old. Does the warranty still cover this?


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Posted 25 April 2019 - 0725 AM

This event interests me, if only for the sense of relief that I am no longer involved in Sentinel safety management.

The cost of the lost airframe might fall on the Maintainer organisation. Depends on how the contracts were arranged, I suspect. Does the German government tend to self-insure?
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Posted 26 April 2019 - 1225 PM

I'm not sure on the insurance questions, but the Luftwaffe's VIP transport fleet is maintained by various divisions of Lufthansa Technik; the Airbus types are generally former Lufthansa planes anyway, of course. The Globals are the responsibility of Lufthansa Bombardier Aviation Services, a joint venture established in 1997. At this point the Bundeswehr's General, Flight Safety is investigating whether there are systemic problems, and has seized various LBAS maintenance documents.

 

Lufthansa Technik had also recently swapped the undercarriage of the A 340 where the anti-skid system blocked up upon landing in New York, causing the delay for Foreign Minister Heiko Maas mentioned in Markus' post above, and failed to document the change in the communications system that contributed to the electrical failure during Angela Merkel's flight to Argentina. In the present case, it appears a torque tube assembly was inserted the wrong way upon replacement, causing the spoilerons to act in reverse to the ailerons.

 

There are reports that the crew was relegated to using differential thrust for keeping directional stability (badly) during terminal approach, and the wings did in fact clip an airfield sign. Needless to say, recent events are a PR disaster for Lufthansa Technik, which among other things is a major outfitter for super business jets (though the Luftwaffe points out that despite the highly-publicized string of mishaps, availability of their VIP fleet is actually 98 percent).

 

 


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Posted 15 June 2019 - 0417 AM

Testing the minigun, appropriately designated MG 6 in the Bundeswehr, on the H 145 of Luftwaffe Helicopter Wing 64 for the SF support role.

 


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Posted 16 June 2019 - 0622 AM

First minigun of the Bundeswehr? Under the US name M134 it has been in use for years in small numbers. But nice brrrrrt video nonetheless.


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Posted 01 August 2019 - 0556 AM

The replacement of the Marine's worn-out Sea Lynxes will be an ASW variant of the NH90 called Sea Tiger, supplementing the Sea Lion transport/SAR variant already succeding the Sea Kings. I guess commonality (and probably NIH) won out. There are of course also concerns - NH90 is too big for the hangar of the Type 123 frigates which will still be in service when it is planned to come in (I guess they will have to wear out the remaining Lynxes), and the hangar doors on Type 124 will have to be enlarged. OTOH, the order is for 30 Sea Tigers plus one testbed to replace the 22 Sea Lynxes, which is commendable in and of itself as an increase of capabilities.

In other Marine news, a civilian crane just hit the ESM mast of the second Type 125 frigate, Nordrhein-Westfalen; it's currently not clear whether the damage will delay commissioning of the ship which is planned for later this year. It's not like the class hasn't been delayed due to technical problems already anyway.

Under the ongoing revision of pre-2014 closure plans, the Bundeswehr will now hold on to another dozen installations, in part for use by its recently established separate Cyber- and Information-Space branch.

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#547 Panzermann

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Posted 01 August 2019 - 1320 PM

The MH-90 is also to replace the Sea Kings Mark 41, that are getiing really old by now. So 30 MH-90 are not that many in the end.

 

 

There is also still the procurement process for a maritime SOF helicopter on going, though most probably this is going to be an MH-90 variant as well for commonality.


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Posted 01 August 2019 - 1401 PM

No, as stated this is an additional (not yet finalized) order of 30 + 1 Sea Tigers to replace Sea Lynx from 2025, while Sea King is being replaced by 18 Sea Lions, supposedly from this year. The SOF type will be yet another additional seven or so aircraft.


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Posted 02 August 2019 - 0940 AM

Some outlines are emerging for the defense planning until 2031. It’s all still pretty rough and full of buzzwords, but a direction is visible.

 

It has already been mentioned earlier that the level of ambition is

 

- fielding three fully equipped mechanized divisions with a total of eight to ten brigades, fully deployable within three months’ time;

 

- leading a multi-national air task force generating 350 combat and reconnaissance missions per day, three quarters of which by the Bundeswehr;

 

- ability to deploy at least 15 naval vessels at any time and giving the Marine the capability for maritime air warfare back.

 

The first of the newly reorganized divisions is to be combat ready by 2027. This “Division 2027” is supposed to comprise about 20,000 troops total, one Panzer and two Panzergrenadier brigades plus an organic helicopter force, with the capability to additionally integrate up to two allied partner brigades. The national brigades will have three mechanized and one infantry battalion each, organic artillery, enhanced capabilities against new air threats like sUAS, and a mixed reconnaissance company.

 

The division will additionally have a reconnaissance battalion, an artillery battalion covering ranges out to 300 kilometers, engineers equipped with a future blocking system, increased NBC defense and of course organic C4ISR and logistics capabilities which can be modularly used within the division as well as the brigade system. Add lots of terms like comprehensive digitalization, plug-in interoperability, sensor-to-shooter concept, joint and combined cyber and information operations, highly automated logistics possibly including autonomous driving, ad-hoc networked signature-reduced high-mobility command posts with increased reachback share, etc.

 

The necessary increase in personnel is to be reached partially through more use of reservists. Materially, it is expected that the number of Boxers alone will have to be at least tripled over the 200 already in service and 130 authorized for procurement. There will likely be more Pumas, too, and German-French cooperation for new artillery systems in addition to the future Main Ground Combat System project. Tiger is to be successively upgraded and supplemented by a light recce/attack helicopter, including for urban operations.

 

The way for the Luftwaffe is already mostly mapped out with the Future Air Combat System and Future Transport Helicopter, UAVs, the joint French-German C-130 squadron and possibly a multi-national A400M outfit (or alternately taking over the previously surplus-to-requirement aircraft again). Same for the Marine with F125, more K130s, additional U212s jointly procured with Norway, and MKS 180/F126. The minehunter fleet will have to be replaced, and it’s not yet clear how the future maritime air warfare capability will look. The government has allegedly agreed on the procurement of two new command and supply ships, though.

 

Then there’s finances.


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Posted 02 August 2019 - 1056 AM

No, as stated this is an additional (not yet finalized) order of 30 + 1 Sea Tigers to replace Sea Lynx from 2025, while Sea King is being replaced by 18 Sea Lions, supposedly from this year. The SOF type will be yet another additional seven or so aircraft.

 

So I get that a bit wrong.  48+1 plus the half dozen special swordfish helos. IIRC that was the number required for them. 54+1 sounds like a sizeable fleet nowadays. Though, why didn't they opt for one helicopter model with just different sets of euqipment put in for the mission?

 

 

 

- fielding three fully equipped mechanized divisions with a total of eight to ten brigades, fully deployable within three months’ time;
 
Just make that nine brigades in three divisions. I see a problem keeping that readiness with the roblems in keeping the units supplied with spare parts and personnel at the moment.
 
- leading a multi-national air task force generating 350 combat and reconnaissance missions per day, three quarters of which by the Bundeswehr;
 
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- ability to deploy at least 15 naval vessels at any time and giving the Marine the capability for maritime air warfare back.
 
Ha! My RUMINT was right. Makes the F-18 even more a possible choice, because it is a naval plane.
 
 
 
Command and supply ships? EGV? I thought the old oilers were to be replaced? Or are these in addiiton?

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Posted 09 August 2019 - 1334 PM

The necessary increase in personnel is to be reached partially through more use of reservists.


The MoD intends to reintroduce a mandatory reserve term of six years for Bundeswehr soldiers after they leave active service; currently about 15,000 per year. That would theoretically yield 90,000 reservists which could already be recalled in "preparation" for a crisis after a change of law, though active service in peacetime would remain principally voluntary.

The details are not yet clear; there is talk of increasing the current number of 3,500 reserve positions in the active forces, of re-establishing a comprehensive administrative organisation to track and recall reservists, of regional centers to train them up, and that they should take over the encompassing intermediatory role with civil society that was largely lost with the suspension of conscription. To what degree they would be employed within the active organisation, in dedicated reserve formations, or possibly as replacements for combat losses, remains to be seen. New defense minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer is supposed to officially present the plans on 18 October.
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Posted 10 August 2019 - 0406 AM

So more H145 on the way - which would be a good choice as the H145 seems to work fairly well.


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Posted 11 August 2019 - 0153 AM

Why not just draft a bunch of Freiwilingen Helferin as a stepping stone to citizenship. Uou can put them into non combat MOS and reserve the trigger pulling for ubermensch.
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Posted 11 August 2019 - 0719 AM

Why not just draft a bunch of Freiwilingen Helferin as a stepping stone to citizenship. Uou can put them into non combat MOS and reserve the trigger pulling for ubermensch.


It's a good idea, but I wouldn't place limitations on their service as long as it was satisfactory and of sufficient duration.
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Posted 13 August 2019 - 0512 AM

Those Galician Brigades will migrate from SS to Heer.
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Posted 18 October 2019 - 1202 PM

The MoD intends to reintroduce a mandatory reserve term of six years for Bundeswehr soldiers after they leave active service; currently about 15,000 per year. That would theoretically yield 90,000 reservists which could already be recalled in "preparation" for a crisis after a change of law, though active service in peacetime would remain principally voluntary.


The details are not yet clear; there is talk of increasing the current number of 3,500 reserve positions in the active forces, of re-establishing a comprehensive administrative organisation to track and recall reservists, of regional centers to train them up, and that they should take over the encompassing intermediatory role with civil society that was largely lost with the suspension of conscription. To what degree they would be employed within the active organisation, in dedicated reserve formations, or possibly as replacements for combat losses, remains to be seen. New defense minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer is supposed to officially present the plans on 18 October.

 

And here they are (German, obviously). There will be a troops reserve with reserve units (supposed to be equipped as active ones as much as as possible), field replacement units (i. e., holding units to replace losses in the field) and individual reserve posts in active units as there are now; and a territorial reserve including the support bases for domestic emergencies and security and support companies already established as part of the tri-service Force Support Base, but also again field replacement units.

 

The whole scheme is planned to be in place by 2031, which is shaping up to be the target date for a lot of measures within the frame of the next NATO defense planning cycle. New defense minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer also recently said on the matter of the two-percent defense spending target:

 

Since 2014, we have been moving reliably in the right direction. And we have a solid plan with specific Projects to achive 1.5 per cent by 2024 – and build on towards 2 per cent in the years until 2031. We do so in full accordance with the NATO planning process.

 

That's of course the same somewhat ambiguous language as in the original agreement which doesn't necessarily mean that two percent will actually be reached in 2024, 3031, or ever. Though implementing all those pretty plans will need some substantial increases either way.

 

AKK also recently stopped full privatization of the Army Maintenance Logistics private-public partnership. Which could be seen as a (further) turn away from privatizing defense logistics (the same happened with armed forces clothing a couple years ago after the operation nearly went bankrupt), but it has to be pointed out that in her previous position as Saarland state minister president, she was already against this as far as it concerned the site at St. Wendel in her state.


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Posted 19 October 2019 - 0927 AM

AKK also recently stopped full privatization of the Army Maintenance Logistics private-public partnership.

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Under Scharping they started the privatization BS. about time someone stops it. AKK certainly collected some points with me to stop this waste of  money.


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Posted 25 October 2019 - 0518 AM

No, as stated this is an additional (not yet finalized) order of 30 + 1 Sea Tigers to replace Sea Lynx from 2025, while Sea King is being replaced by 18 Sea Lions, supposedly from this year.

 

The first Sea Lion was delivered yesterday. Though to the Bundeswehr's procurement agency rather than the Marine itself, which hasn't yet the necessary infrastructure in place ...

 

Meanwhile the Luftwaffe has 31 of the 53 German-ordered A400M (with 52 crews) in service, and after all the initial technical trouble, they seem to be quite satisfied, though the maintenance effort per flight hour is still considered too high. The type has qualified as a tanker and is deployed to Jordan in support of operations against the IS; there's even word that aerial refueling of helicopters, long reported problematic due to buffeting issues, will be implemented by 2021. The A400M has also been supplementing the A310 in the MedEvac role since last August, and flown at least 19 missions of this kind this year already.

 

The type is now certified for NVG operations on rough runways, number of aircraft with armor kits has increased, and the long-delayed DASS self-protection suite is finally reported ready and planned to be used operationally from the end of the year. Organizationally, low-level flight training is also progressing. Compared to 3,700 flight hours last year, 6,000 are planned for 2019. FOC is to be reached by 2022, a mere twelve years later than originally planned.

 

From 2028, a detached group from Airlift Wing 62 with 500-600 personnel is to operate from Lechfeld Airbase which is supposed to house a multi-national unit using the 13 surplus aircraft from the German order - though there's no news on progress there. I note that the "Flug Revue" article I got the above from talks of the total of 53 without distinction between Luftwaffe and other service.


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Posted 25 October 2019 - 0915 AM

In order to make enlisted careers more attractive, the Bundeswehr is planning to introduce the ranks of Korporal and Stabskorporal in the A 6 range as sort of a Spec-5, which is a weird doubling since historically the rank was superseded by Unteroffizier. Currently enlisted personnel reach the terminal rank of Oberstabsgefreiter after four years of time served already; the new ranks are supposed to be performance-selective again like the former was when introduced in 1996.

 

A law for better military pay passed by the Bundestag today makes provision for introducing those new ranks. Though further legal work would be needed, and there are contrary opinions whether it's actually a good idea or would draw people away from proper NCO careers.

 

The law otherwise includes a host of rises which don't look impressive at first glance, but are sometimes calculated on a daily basis. For example, the highest level of deployed service pay is raised from 110 to 145 Euros - per day, and tax-free. There is a distinct hike in extra pay for SOF troops, too (including crews of the new H145 helicopters of the Luftwaffe supporting them). Also, retention boni of up to double of the respective career track's basic entry pay for extension of terms in fields lacking personnel - and up to three-and-a-half times for "particularly relevant" branches - will be paid, per year. Total cost of the package is estimated to be an extra 411 million Euro over the next three years, and 150 million annually after that.


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Posted 25 October 2019 - 1033 AM

A law for better military pay passed by the Bundestag today makes provision for introducing those new ranks. Though further legal work would be needed, and there are contrary opinions whether it's actually a good idea or would draw people away from proper NCO careers.

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Unteroffizier and Stabsunteroffizier (Maat and Obermaat in the water) have been hollowed out as a station on the way to Feldwebel with everyone getting promoted to Feldwebel nowadays in a misguided attempt to increase attractiveness. same with the private ranks in which nearly everybody gets promoted to Oberstabsgefreiter after some time. My crystal ball tells me that in five years at the latest the new Korporal will have been usurped by common soldiers. Making it pointless again.


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