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#1 carrierlost

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 0538 AM

Ka-52 firing on spectators near St. Petersburg

 

 

http://echo.msk.ru/b...o/2058246-echo/

 

EDIT: Russian military now denies that, citing that the video is of another event which happened elsewhere.


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#2 GARGEAN

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 0548 AM

Where is denial?
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#3 Roman Alymov

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 0555 AM

Interesting 66.ru is from Ekaterinburg\Sverdlovsk region, ~1800km away from the place they say incident happened.


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 0632 AM

http://s1.uploads.ru/D5QaE.jpg
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#5 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 0703 AM

There is some gun camera footage of the same incident here.

http://www.dailymail...bystanders.html


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 0809 AM

Where is denial?

http://echo.msk.ru/n...58372-echo.html


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 0818 AM

Video from different angle:

https://twitter.com/...085036728311808


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#8 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 0955 AM

Poor bastards.


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#9 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 0959 AM

Blast radius looks low for what I guess are 80mm rockets. Practice presumably.


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 1005 AM

Blast radius looks low for what I guess are 80mm rockets. Practice presumably.

Either practice or fuse didn't armed due to low range.
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#11 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 1036 AM

I cant remember from my time playing Black Shark what the x means. That usually means the weapon is too close to fire, which considering it flashes right after the rockets fire would seem plausible.


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#12 Roman Alymov

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 1230 PM

In separate development, commander of VDV was injured during traffic incident in Murmansk region, when private car driver somehow drove into military column and collided with minivan with officers https://www.bfm.ru/news/365323


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 1236 PM

 

Blast radius looks low for what I guess are 80mm rockets. Practice presumably.

Either practice or fuse didn't armed due to low range.

 

 

 

Regardless, this is an absolute travesty and should result in some sort of investigation to discover exactly what went wrong. Is the Russian military any good at internal investigations?


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 1241 PM

In separate development, commander of VDV was injured during traffic incident in Murmansk region, when private car driver somehow drove into military column and collided with minivan with officers https://www.bfm.ru/news/365323

Video here:

http://www.ntv.ru/video/1518868/


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#15 Roman Alymov

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 1242 PM

 

 

Blast radius looks low for what I guess are 80mm rockets. Practice presumably.

Either practice or fuse didn't armed due to low range.

 

 

 

Regardless, this is an absolute travesty and should result in some sort of investigation to discover exactly what went wrong. Is the Russian military any good at internal investigations?

 

If  paper shown above is genuine http://s1.uploads.ru/D5QaE.jpg, then “military” part of investigation is over – now it is up to industry\aviation safety to find out why missiles were launched when weapons circuits switch was activated. May be territorial borders of the firing range need to be changed for future.


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#16 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 1253 PM

 

 

Blast radius looks low for what I guess are 80mm rockets. Practice presumably.

Either practice or fuse didn't armed due to low range.

 

 

 

Regardless, this is an absolute travesty and should result in some sort of investigation to discover exactly what went wrong. Is the Russian military any good at internal investigations?

 

They have a new military police organization that actually looks like it might be a good outfit, but im not sure if this is really their remit.

 

Its very easy to get critical about this, but accidental rocket launches have happened before. For example, the big fire on the US Forrestal (the one that nearly burned John McCain to a crisp) was an accidental rocket launch. Think there was a failure of the electrical system IIRC. And as for an accidental shooting on a crowd, there is this scarcely believable incident from my own country.

https://en.wikipedia...y_fire_incident

 

All that said, its decidedly uncool to have an unsafe weapon whilst pointing the nose at a crowd. And the weapon was clearly unsafe because you have the 'Shoot!' cue come up. When I visited a life fire exercise on Salisbury plain in 2002, they always had the attack aircraft passing parallel to the crowd, never pointing directly at them. Same when they had the tanks firing, it was away from the crowd.


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#17 Roman Alymov

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 1530 PM

Military traffi police report about collision

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#18 Roman Alymov

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 1542 PM

Video from different angle:

https://twitter.com/...085036728311808

Judging from this video, it was not "spectators"  but some kind of field command position with KAMAZ-mounted radio station (+another radio vehicle visible) . Niva hit is with military number plates.


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#19 Roman Alymov

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 1550 PM

Unedited version of aviation repoer

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#20 Roman Alymov

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 1724 PM

Observers

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