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#441 Markus Becker

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Posted 14 October 2019 - 1720 PM

"or accusing the former of instrumentalizing the attack for political gain (good thing the AfD, who are obviously a chief target for this, never instrumentalized attacks by Muslims)."

In the sense of unfairness it must be remembered that every single time Muslim terrorists strike the old parties and the MSM immediately keep insisting that this single crime is not to be instrumentalized for political purposes.

Buch of hypocrites all of them.
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Posted 14 October 2019 - 2016 PM

And now some politician is cautioning against a general suspicion targeting gamers and at the same time instrumentalizing the attack to socre points against the AfD.
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Posted 15 October 2019 - 0420 AM

As I said, business as usual. Whenever there's some sort of attack, camps sympathetic to the overall group the perpetrator comes from maintain it's just an individual case, he's not a real X, in fact his actions contradict everything X is about, he's likely a mental case, it possibly was a false-flag op anyway, and the worst thing is it may be instrumentalized politically by the other camp. Said other camp will maintain this shows a systemic problem with group X, suspect a vast support network, call for tougher legislation, and blame the first camp for enabling the attack. Attitudes of both will change at the drop of a hat when the backgrounds are reversed. Works exemplarily with Muslim and right-wing perpetrators respectively.


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Posted 15 October 2019 - 1123 AM

As I said, business as usual. Whenever there's some sort of attack, camps sympathetic to the overall group the perpetrator comes from maintain it's just an individual case, he's not a real X, in fact his actions contradict everything X is about, he's likely a mental case, it possibly was a false-flag op anyway, and the worst thing is it may be instrumentalized politically by the other camp. Said other camp will maintain this shows a systemic problem with group X, suspect a vast support network, call for tougher legislation, and blame the first camp for enabling the attack. Attitudes of both will change at the drop of a hat when the backgrounds are reversed. Works exemplarily with Muslim and right-wing perpetrators respectively.

 

Don't forget that they want backdoors in crypto as well. Because loners use encrypted communication to talk to whom exactly? So, yeah, the usual suspects in the law enforcement apparatus trot out their pet ideas.


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#445 Ssnake

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 1124 AM

Shhhh. If you question crypto backdoors, you're advocating criminality and terrorism.


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#446 Markus Becker

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 1250 PM

As I said, business as usual. Whenever there's some sort of attack, camps sympathetic to the overall group the perpetrator comes from maintain it's just an individual case, he's not a real X, in fact his actions contradict everything X is about, he's likely a mental case, it possibly was a false-flag op anyway, and the worst thing is it may be instrumentalized politically by the other camp. Said other camp will maintain this shows a systemic problem with group X, suspect a vast support network, call for tougher legislation, and blame the first camp for enabling the attack. Attitudes of both will change at the drop of a hat when the backgrounds are reversed. Works exemplarily with Muslim and right-wing perpetrators respectively.

The reactions are the same though. The scope of the problems are not. Per victims right wingers commit the least anti semitic attacks and get the most media and political attention. With Muslims it's the other way round as perfectly demonstrated by the guy who wanted to stab the congregation of a synagogue in Berlin right before Halle happened. The took him to the station, wrote a report and let him go because wielding a knife and yelling Allahu Akabr while forcing your way into a synagogue is no indication of anything that warrants arrest. Or a Nationwide outcry.

Tolerating one form of antisemitism and combating/instrumentalizing another is why we are where we are.

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#447 BansheeOne

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 1451 PM

The reactions are the same though. The scope of the problems are not. Per victims right wingers commit the least anti semitic attacks and get the most media and political attention. With Muslims it's the other way round as perfectly demonstrated by the guy who wanted to stab the congregation of a synagogue in Berlin right before Halle happened. The took him to the station, wrote a report and let him go because wielding a knife and yelling Allahu Akabr while forcing your way into a synagogue is no indication of anything that warrants arrest. Or a Nationwide outcry.


Did he? He climbed over the barriers outside the synagogue, ran towards the security officers with a knife, they pulled their guns on him, he refused to drop his weapon and talked in a calm voice, supposedly including "Allah-u akhbar" and "fuck Israel", though the last it not confirmed. Police finally subdued him with CS, nobody else got hurt.

When questioned he said he couldn't explain his behavior, and anti-terror investigators so far haven't found any indications or links to Islamism after searching his dwellings and seizing his phone, computer, etc. He's currently institutionalized, as he probably should; or he's the most incompetent terrorist in quite a while.

And frankly, as national outcries go, I found the one over this incident overdone already; particularly the Central Council of the Jews accusing authorities of failure because they released the guy from (criminal) custody. They of all people should know the value of folks not being incarcerated without a basis in generally applicable law.

Also, I'm aware of the systemic problem that anti-Semitic acts tend to be automatically classed as right-wing, and I don't believe the 90 percent number from official statistics either. But I've never seen a source establishing that right-wingers conduct the least attacks either. The 2017 Uni Bielefeld study for the Independent Experts Circle Anti-Semitism sometimes gets cited as "81 percent of all physical attacks are from Muslims", but there are a couple problems with that.

First, the sample of 553 participants was non-representative. 16 said they had been the victim of a physical anti-Semitic attack in the last 12 months. Multiple descriptions of who they thought the attackers were were possible, and there were 13 mentions of Muslims, four of leftwingers, three of rightwingers, and two of Christians. That study is interesting as a sample of Jewish perceptions of anti-Semitism in Germany, and it clearly shows that Muslims figure prominently in that. But it cautions itself that the low numbers of attacks reported therein don't permit general conclusions, and certainly not that rightwingers are the least problem.


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Posted 03 November 2019 - 0512 AM

The continuing problems to return even, or particularly, highly criminal immigrants to their country of origin due to unwillingness by either are illustrated by a recent case where the head of Federal Police Dieter Romann personally bucked the system, like he did in the unconventional rendition of Susanna K.'s murderer from North Iraq. The subject here was Ibrahim Miri, a leading member of a Bremen clan of Mhallamiye Kurds. Known as M-Kurds for short, their homeland is spread from southern Turkey to northern Lebanon; many came here as refugees from various conflicts. Unfortunately they have become one of the lead nationalities in German organized crime (in part of course because they weren't allowed to work here).

 

Miri came here as a (probably) 13-year-old in 1986, when his family's asylum application was quickly rejected. However, despite several orders to leave over the decades, they remained here on "tolerated" status since their citizenship was unclear and they conveniently had no valid passports; as so often, either Turkish or Lebanese authorities weren't really interested to provide those, either. Highly intelligent, but also brutal and unscrupulous, Miri offended his way all through German criminal code and rose to lead the Mongols MC, one of those criminal pseudo-biker gangs. Among other things, he was convicted to six years for trading drugs through them. Typically, German authorities had him registered under at least four alternate identities with different last names, dates and places of birth, etc.

 

It seems earlier this year Dieter Romann once more used his personal connections to foreign colleagues, in this case to the head of the Lebanese border force, and managed to get a passport for Miri (though investigators actually think he is more likely from the M-Kurds' Turkish branch). The latter was seized from his bed in a police raid on 10 July, put on a helicopter to Berlin, and flown to Beirut from thence along with a second man. Which surprised not just him, but also the Lebanese government, which had known nothing about this little deal between colleagues. Their attorney general recently voiced his deep annoyance to the German Federal Bureau of Criminal Investigations' liaison officer at the Beirut embassy, and made it known he wanted a detailed report on this stunt.

 

Miri is of course a free man in Lebanon, where he isn't accused of anything. He has been legally barred from re-entering Germany for the next seven years; though whether that will keep him away is far from certain, either.

 

The case continues to be highly illustrative. This week, Miri turned up in Bremen again and happily requested subsidiary protection on the grounds that a Hezbollah-linked rival clan in Lebanon wants him dead for being allegedly involved with a revenge killing following a 2006 stabbing in Bremen; he thus claims being at risk from Lebanese government factions. Obviously he was detained on the spot and taken into expulsion custody, while authorities are processing his application at accelerated speed. I've little doubt it will be rejected and he will be ordered to leave again; though much more so whether Lebanon will take him this time, let alone whether he'd stay there.


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Posted 03 November 2019 - 1007 AM

 

Also, I'm aware of the systemic problem that anti-Semitic acts tend to be automatically classed as right-wing, and I don't believe the 90 percent number from official statistics either. But I've never seen a source establishing that right-wingers conduct the least attacks either. The 2017 Uni Bielefeld study for the Independent Experts Circle Anti-Semitism sometimes gets cited as "81 percent of all physical attacks are from Muslims", but there are a couple problems with that.


 

 

There you go:

 

https://www.bmi.bund...icationFile&v=4

 

Page 109:

 

Rund 20 Prozent der Befragten ordneten die Täter von versteckten Andeutungen und verbalen Beleidigungen und 25 Prozent von körperlichen Angriffen als linksextrem ein. Als rechtsextrem wurden 15 Prozent der versteckten Andeutungen bzw. 19 Prozent der Beleidigungen und körperlichen Angriffe eingestuft. Rund ein Viertel der Befragten gab an, die versteckten Andeutungen bzw. Beleidigungen seien christlich-religiös motiviert. Besonders häufig wurden muslimische Personen als Täter angegeben: 48 Prozent der versteckten Andeutungen, 62 Prozent der Beleidigungen und 81 Prozent der körperlichen Angriffe gingen nach dieser Einschätzung von muslimischen Personen aus.


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Posted 03 November 2019 - 1044 AM

Ehm, this is the report by the Expert Circle Anti-Semitism, based upon exactly the 2017 study conducted by Uni Bielefeld I talked of. I. e., from a non-representative of 553 participants, 16 said they had been the victim of a physical anti-Semitic attack in the last 12 months, with 13 mentions of the attackers likely having been Muslims, four of leftwingers, three of rightwingers, and two of Christians.

Again, that study is interesting as a sample of Jewish perceptions of anti-Semitism in Germany, and it clearly shows that Muslims figure prominently in that. But it cautions itself that the low numbers of attacks reported therein don't permit general conclusions. There is also some debate in there about how participants arrived at their multiple descripions; for example that they obviously thought Islam a defining characteristic and attributed it to attackers who looked the part, while others were described as Christians only twice in possible addition to being left- or right-wing - how people arrived at the latter conclusions also being unclear.
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Posted 03 November 2019 - 1612 PM

It might not be perfect but it is the best we got and I don't hold my breath that we will get a better study and time soon because that might result in facts not fitting the narritive. 


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