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#1 Companion

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 1649 PM

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http://news.kbs.co.k...5/2075024.html#

the tank briefly appears around 00:27

Thought someone might be interested.
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Posted 07 April 2010 - 1710 PM

Could it be Pokpung-ho?
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Posted 07 April 2010 - 1758 PM

Could it be Pokpung-ho?


looks like modified Chonma-ho
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 2314 PM

Companion; great find! Finally something new from North Korea...

This tank could be:

1) An updated Ch'onma-ho III (M1992).

2) Our first look at the P'okpoong-ho (T-72-based tank).

3) Or something completely new.


We know that there is an upgunned Ch'onma-ho out there somewhere (based on official US and South Korean reports (including the 1998 and 1999 South Korean National Defense White Papers). This new photo, however, appears to show a tank fitted with the 115mm main gun...maybe it's a 125mm? It does appear to be fitted with new optics including what could be a combined LRF/thermal sight mounted above the main gun...although it also looks like the primary searchlight is still fitted.

This could also be a North Korean attempt to briefly show the world that they to have a "modern" tank fited with the upgrades based on lessons learned in Iraq and Afghanistan. Things like thicker (perhaps reactive armor) hull skirting fitted at the sides of the driver's compartment. Could that "searchlight" actually be an ammo can for an unseen heavy machinegun?

The tank also looks like it has a welded slab-sided, Chinese-inspired turret and a hull long enough to include six road wheels.

Just to sum up...while there are reports that the Ch'onma-ho series includes as many as 7 different variants, here are the variants that seem to have the most credibility:

Ch'onma-ho I (slightly modified T-62A)

Ch'onma-ho II (upgrade incorporating an externally mounted LRF)

Ch'onma-ho III/M1992 (first seen in the 1992 Pyongyang parade - there are a handfull of poor quality photos of this variant floating around)

Ch'onma-ho IV/V (upgraded variant fitted with the "larger Gun;" reportedly the 125mm from the T-72)

Finally, in addition to unconfirmed reports that the North Koreans acquired a small number of Russian T-72s (date unknown), and a single T-90S in August 2001, reports of a new North Korean tank began to appear in 2002. These reports probably were referring to what we now know as the P'okpoong-ho.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 2318 PM

OT...

I must admit that I cannot take the name P'okpoong-ho seriously. Over here, a "pok pok" is a derogatory word basically meaning "slut" (or sex addict). Add the "-ho" in the end of the name, and the word "poong" reminding me of Thais (and their sex industry), well, you get the picture....


BTT!

Edited by TomasCTT, 08 April 2010 - 2319 PM.

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 0210 AM

...2) Our first look at the P'okpoong-ho (T-72-based tank)...


Glacis looks like 60deg T-54/55/62 style glacis with add-on armor.
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#7 Marek Tucan

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 0212 AM

Glacis looks like 60deg T-54/55/62 style glacis with add-on armor.


Agree. Prolly just T-62 on steroids. And even then there is that question how strong steroids...
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Posted 09 April 2010 - 0310 AM

What would that cylinder-like object be? (just to the left of the flagpole)
My friend who showed it to me speculated it might be a wind sensor but I find that highly doubtful.
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Posted 09 April 2010 - 1448 PM

Why do the NKs even bother to waste monney and resources on "developing" and building crap like this?? I mean, the North Koreans surely live in a paralell universe, but at least some of their higher army staff and intel personel must know that these home brewed death traps wont stand a chance against SOKOR and US K1 and M1. Let alone K2s..
Why not try and buy off the shelf instead? Preferably some Type-90s or Type-96s from China. But even second hand T-72s from Belurussian or Ukrainian etc stock would probbably be better. A matter of national Yuche prestige maybe? :blink:
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Posted 09 April 2010 - 1525 PM

Why do the NKs even bother to waste monney and resources on "developing" and building crap like this?? I mean, the North Koreans surely live in a paralell universe, but at least some of their higher army staff and intel personel must know that these home brewed death traps wont stand a chance against SOKOR and US K1 and M1. Let alone K2s..
Why not try and buy off the shelf instead? Preferably some Type-90s or Type-96s from China. But even second hand T-72s from Belurussian or Ukrainian etc stock would probbably be better. A matter of national Yuche prestige maybe? :blink:


Or fear of pipeline being shut down... Even the China is nowadays much colder to them, after all having nuclear rabid dog in the backyard is even against their interests...
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Posted 10 April 2010 - 0743 AM

Why do the NKs even bother to waste monney and resources on "developing" and building crap like this??


Well for a start South Korea tank fleet still includes several hundreds of M48s (with no armor upgrade) and probably few or none K2 as of yet.
So a warmed up T-62 may have on paper a chance against at least the low end of the opposite tank fleet.
Second, it is not like they are unwilling to buy foreign military hardware (they have done so every time they could afford it), it is just that the hard currency necessary to buy a meaningful number of even second hand T-72s is just flat out not available. What little is there is used for more important needs, say machine tools to make better missiles or the Dear Leader's caviar (BTW these are two real examples, if my memory isn't playing tricks) or other pressing civilian/military needs which cannot be just ignored for physical or political survival reasons.
So these tanks are simply the best the can afford in numbers and chances are they have been produced in small numbers anyway.
I am not sure of how I can convey in a short space how poor, backward and dilapidated North Korea actually is.

Edited by Marcello, 10 April 2010 - 0743 AM.

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 0910 AM

Time will tell if we have learned anything from the collapse of the Soviet Union - how it came through hypermilitarization, and how to manage the actual collapse with free-floating, unemployed missile, bio-, chemical-, and nuclear weapon specialists. But I guess we'll do it like last time - expose all scientists to the free market and then bomb the shit out of whoever may give them new employment after a few years of fruitless debating in the UN about a secret weapons development program in some backwater that may or may not have signed the NPT.

Am currently reading "The Dead Hand" - may contribute to a dispirited mood.
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Posted 10 April 2010 - 0949 AM

Am currently reading "The Dead Hand" - may contribute to a dispirited mood.


Must. Get. That. Book.

Thanks for mentioning it. :) I'll add it to my wish list of books.

Edited by TomasCTT, 10 April 2010 - 0950 AM.

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 1213 PM

Time will tell if we have learned anything from the collapse of the Soviet Union - how it came through hypermilitarization, and how to manage the actual collapse with free-floating, unemployed missile, bio-, chemical-, and nuclear weapon specialists. But I guess we'll do it like last time - expose all scientists to the free market and then bomb the shit out of whoever may give them new employment after a few years of fruitless debating in the UN about a secret weapons development program in some backwater that may or may not have signed the NPT.

Am currently reading "The Dead Hand" - may contribute to a dispirited mood.


The USSR had a huge technical and scientifical establishment engaged in cutting edge R&D and production.
North Korea equivalent is far smaller, busy reinventing (or trying to) wheels already invented several decades ago and already engaged in proliferation anyway.
Their modest stockpile of nuclear weapons and weapon grade uranium/plutonium would have to be secured ASAP and it may indeed be prudent to ensure that at least some of the key technical personnel get employed in non nefarious activities but aside from that the biggest problem is social and economic.
As things stand now a collapse of the north korean regime would be a catastrophe for South Korea.
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Posted 10 April 2010 - 1222 PM

The tank also looks like it has a welded slab-sided, Chinese-inspired turret and a hull long enough to include six road wheels.


To be fair even earlier variants seem to have slab sided (sort of) armor.
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Posted 11 April 2010 - 1244 PM

I have to wonder if the ERA blocks are even real, I wouldn't be surprised if they strapped soldiers to the turret to add extra protection. One truly bizzare country.
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Posted 12 April 2010 - 1059 AM

I have to wonder if the ERA blocks are even real, I wouldn't be surprised if they strapped soldiers to the turret to add extra protection. One truly bizzare country.


I have always got this nagging feeling that those things ERA blocks may be something else, such as MG ammo boxes or similar. Why putting them on the turret side/rear instead of the turrret and hull front?
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Posted 12 April 2010 - 1138 AM

...Why not try and buy off the shelf instead? Preferably some Type-90s or Type-96s from China. But even second hand T-72s from Belurussian or Ukrainian etc stock would probbably be better. A matter of national Yuche prestige maybe? :blink:

And lack of anything to pay for imports with.
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Posted 24 May 2010 - 1059 AM

Joseph Bermudez has published an article on the P'okpoong-ho, among other things. Several high quality (better than the ones here at any rate) pictures; any takers on the 115mm vs 125mm main gun issue?
http://www.nkeconwat...rnal-vol-1-no4/

Edited by Marcello, 24 May 2010 - 1101 AM.

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Posted 24 May 2010 - 1136 AM

don´t know if the article is accurate,but the pictures are fine
http://www.military-...tanks/m2002.htm
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