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#2241 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 21 September 2018 - 0229 AM

There was an absolutely Brilliant Russian language cartoon, that depicted our two luckless tourists trudging through shoulder high snow towards a sign marked 'Salisbury' and saying 'maybe we should give the Cathedral a miss?' :D

 

 

Lets face it, they dont believe it anymore. The Russians arent stupid, they know when they have been had, the difficulty is admitting it to themselves it seems.


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Posted 21 September 2018 - 0321 AM

He is on holiday.
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Posted 21 September 2018 - 0912 AM

He is on holiday.

 

In Salisbury?


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Posted 21 September 2018 - 0914 AM

I nearly said that, but I thought, nah, too easy. :D

 

Im tempted to go to Salisbury tomorrow actually. Maybe Ill bump into him. :)


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Posted 21 September 2018 - 0935 AM

I nearly said that, but I thought, nah, too easy. :D

 

Im tempted to go to Salisbury tomorrow actually. Maybe Ill bump into him. :)

 

Well, low hanging fruit, if you don't take it someone else will. ;)

 

If going to Salisbury, remember to take your mittens and snow shoes I hear unexpected blizzards are a real nuisance.


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Posted 21 September 2018 - 0958 AM

Yeah, those sudden cold snaps are whats been putting me off. I dont really want to eat the Huskies unless I absolutely have to.


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Posted 22 September 2018 - 0229 AM

Bellingcat fingers 'Petrov' and 'Boshirov' as GRU agents. Ok, we know that, but the evidence trail is pretty persuasive.

https://www.bellingc...ions-disclosed/

 

  • Alexander Petrov – a fake cover persona for a yet unidentified Russian individual – is not a civilian but linked to one of Russia’s security services. This assessment was based on an exhaustive analysis of “Petrov” passport dossier as obtained from the Russian central passport database.
  • Petrov and Boshirov made last-minute travel plans to fly to the United Kingdom, which – coupled with the double-booking of return flights on two consecutive dates – makes the “tourism” explanation implausible.
  • Petrov and Boshirov travelled on international passports that differed by 3 consecutive digits, making it implausible that they were civilians who obtained their passports through the regular, entropic passport application process available to Russian citizens.

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Posted 22 September 2018 - 0542 AM

I nearly said that, but I thought, nah, too easy. :D
 
Im tempted to go to Salisbury tomorrow actually. Maybe Ill bump into him. :)

How will you be able to tell him apart from all the other FSB and GRU operatives in the queue at Greggs?
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Posted 22 September 2018 - 0625 AM

When I start fitting and asphyxiating in a puddle of my own Urine? Although a well financed Friday night could probably fit within that benchmark. :closedeyes:

 

I have Salisbury a miss. Might have a go next weekend, I just need to figure out where to decontaminate the car afterwards.


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Posted 22 September 2018 - 0837 AM

 

Bellingcat...

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Posted 22 September 2018 - 1136 AM

You know, I do find it interesting when absence of evidence in Russia is 'proof' of the most outrageous of conspiracies, but when someone actually presents evidence, that is only evidence of fabrication on the part of Western Intelligence. Its like 1991 never happened.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...spies-1.4833212

Russia's explanation of the poisoning "was a major disaster," said Alexander Vassiliev, a former KGB agent and now London-based espionage historian who has tracked Russia's security services for decades. "The propaganda machine is not working. It's mistake after mistake."

A former rival of Vladimir Putin's for the presidency was even more blunt. Writing in an online journal out of St. Petersburg, economist Grigory Yavlinsky said such bare-faced lying is destroying what is left of Russia's credibility not only abroad, but also at home.

"We are poisoning ourselves," he wrote.

Countering the narrative

Putin has called the idea of Russia being behind the poisonings as "nonsense," while state TV has repeatedly suggested that the use of the nerve agent Novichok against the Skripals was done by British special services to discredit Russia.

But "to continue pushing this line, Russia has to convince people these two guys are innocent, and now I don't think that's possible," Vassiliev told CBC.

"Russians don't go to Britain for two days to visit Salisbury."

 

 

Bellingcat has published several reports about Petrov and Boshirov since they spoke publicly on RT. The most significant disclosures included confidential passport information — such as contact phone numbers within the Russian Ministry of Defence — that strongly suggests the two men have Russian secret service connections.

Then, in the midst of all these embarrassing leaks, it appears the Russian government tried to shift the focus away from the Salisbury story, evoking another painful crime Russia stands accused of: the shooting down on Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 in 2014.

 
 

Last year, a five-country team of investigators concluded it was a Russian missile transported by Russian soldiers to Russian-backed separatists in Eastern Ukraine that knocked the plane out of the sky, killing 298 people.

But a Russian general proclaimed earlier this week that new evidence has suddenly come to light: serial numbers on the missile linking the weapon to Ukraine's army, not Russia's.

For years, Russia's story was that a Ukrainian fighter jet shot down the passenger plane, so this latest explanation marked yet another shift in the Kremlin's narrative.

Independent political commentator Konstantin Eggert, who is based in Moscow, said that for the Kremlin to invoke MH17 — one of the most damaging and painful points of conflict between Russia and the West in recent years — demonstrates how worried it is.

 

 

"Coming up with MH17 to replace [the Skripals] tells me how bad the Salisbury story is for them," Eggert told CBC. "The problem is they [the Kremlin] can't admit the truth. So they have to invent false explanations all the time."

'An overarching obsession'

Eggert said that for the Russian government, "You can look stupid, you can look out of touch and even vicious, but you cannot look weak. This is an overarching obsession for the regime."

Vassiliev said ridicule and mockery is often a tool used by Kremlin propagandists to diminish the seriousness of an issue. This week, Russia's embassy in London tweeted a photo of the Loch Ness monster to suggest that the idea that Boshirov and Petrov are spies was, like the monster in the lake, a myth.

 

 

But Vassiliev argues the strategy has backfired in the Skripal case. Scores of Russian diplomats have been expelled by Canada, the U.S. and dozens of European countries; and the U.S. expanded its economic sanctions against Russia, which has been a contributing factor in pushing Russia's currency down and driving up prices.

By looking foolish to the rest of the world, Vassiliev said the Kremlin has also undone many of the public relations gains from staging the World Cup over the summer. The soccer tournament was widely viewed as a success, with international visitors lauding their Russian hosts for throwing a great party and being so welcoming.

The domestic fallout for the Kremlin of these recent intrigues is harder to assess, as opinion polls are unreliable. But in his article, Yavlinsky argued all Russians lose.

"In the eyes of the whole world, the people and Putin are united. As they say, all of us here... are smeared," he wrote.

Eggert said the Skripal incident remains an unpleasant distraction for the Kremlin leadership, and moving past it will be difficult. He said the continuing revelations about Petrov and Borishov strongly suggest people on the inside of the UK investigation are leaking information.

"It's quite evident that the British security service is feeding information bit by bit to make Moscow lie even more."

 

And things have got bad. The Russian Embassy twitter feed is usually lapped up by dozens of avid trolls. This time it resulted in the following response.

https://twitter.com/...808000614940672

 

Mr. Wint and Mr. Kidd. Now THOSE would have been two believable aliases. :D


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Posted 22 September 2018 - 1145 AM

Speaking of the Russian embassy, the guardian broke a story yesterday that it was involved in a plot to smuggle Julian Assange to Moscow.

https://thenewdaily....ian-embassy-uk/


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Posted Today, 05:59 PM

Speaking of the Russian embassy, the guardian broke a story yesterday that it was involved in a plot to smuggle Julian Assange to Moscow.

https://thenewdaily....ian-embassy-uk/

For what? From cynical point of view, it is way better for propaganda purposes to see Julian Assange thrown into US prison for live (or even executed) than having him in Moscow.


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Posted Today, 06:37 PM

 

Bellingcat fingers 'Petrov' and 'Boshirov' as GRU agents. Ok, we know that, but the evidence trail is pretty persuasive.

https://www.bellingc...ions-disclosed/

 

So, as i see in two weeks i was away nothing except old good " Bellingcat investigations" was demonstrated?  Quite an achievement..... About "phone number on the stamp" - even if we take form image shown by "investigators" for true (while it is obviously fake as no equipment will give scan quality lower than 300dpi) it is leading to  mattress shop
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https://matrackuksis.nethouse.ru/

 

  
   And by the way, who was the owner of Skripal house before?
On old photo there is something looking like CCTV camera on the house
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while on new photo camera is gone (but new chimney installed)
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Is it plausible that the house of the man living under MI6 protection was not only not equipped CCTV looking around, but existing camera removed?


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Posted Today, 07:07 PM

Craig Murray take on "evidence" presented (comments are also of some interest as people there discuss local features i am not aware of like trains timetables, CCTV specifics and streets)

 

About vias, passports and hotel

https://www.craigmur.../uncategorized/

 

About "save Assange" story

https://www.craigmur...m-the-guardian/

Earlier posts
https://www.craigmur...-mob-mentality/

https://www.craigmur...-russian-alibi/


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