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#621 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 30 May 2019 - 1007 AM

At Singapore during an international fleet review a few days ago.

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Does the JMSDF still have the Rising sun as a naval pennant?

 

That deck looks like it really warrants some Zero's and Kates on it.


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Posted 30 May 2019 - 1101 AM

At Singapore during an international fleet review a few days ago.

 
Does the JMSDF still have the Rising sun as a naval pennant?
 
That deck looks like it really warrants some Zero's and Kates on it.

Zeros and Kates can go faster than helicopters, might be possible to call that an upgrade, hehe, disregarding asw of course.

Pennant as in the long tail looking flag? Yeah, they still use it apparantly. Overall full size is still quite small though.
http://jmsdf.info/?m...k&sc=m&no=01557
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Posted 30 May 2019 - 1516 PM

 

At Singapore during an international fleet review a few days ago.

IzumoMurasame2.jpg

 

Does the JMSDF still have the Rising sun as a naval pennant?

 

That deck looks like it really warrants some Zero's and Kates on it.

 

 

Yes it does, much to the chagrin of Korea and Koreans.


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Posted 30 May 2019 - 1527 PM

Recent military activity on the part of Russia and Russians in and around the Kuriles was formally challenged at the defense minister level yesterday.

 

Moscow's response was not a productive one in various ways.


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Posted 01 June 2019 - 2152 PM

 

 

At Singapore during an international fleet review a few days ago.

 

 

Does the JMSDF still have the Rising sun as a naval pennant?

 

That deck looks like it really warrants some Zero's and Kates on it.

 

 

Yes it does, much to the chagrin of Korea and Koreans.

 

 

They need to understand that it is all about keeping in pace with the PRC and the nuclear threat posed by DPRK.

 

If there was no modernization of PLA forces combined with PRC plainly stated goals regarding SCS, Taiwan, and the Senkaku islands, and if there was no nuclear testing by DPRK in 2006, 2009, and so on.. then there likely wouldn't be an Izumo-class DDH since the Japanese defense budget has been in slow decline throughout the 2000s and would have been difficult to politically justify the expense for a larger DDH in a less tense security environment. Most definitely the plan for F-35Bs would not have come to pass. During the 2000s there are examples of some thigns getting funding cut under it such as the delay in making the first LiB-only sub, some domestically made missiles not being funded and thus just buying American such as ESSM for the Akizuki-class. Was originally intended to develop a successor to the Sparrow 7 as a replacement which was called XRIM-4 and have that work in conjunction with the FCS-3 system on the Akizuki-class. Of course by saying that, don't mean to add an extension to the argument about ESSM being worse or anything like that, its seems to be a great missile, but just a case of a lack of funding holding back Japanese domestic defense industries. One other example is the attack helicopter situation in the JGSDF with only a few Apaches purchased, the current cobras are living off of each others parts meaning about only about 59 are flyable. And there's no major attack heli successor program in place. Some do argue that there's a point about how useful attack helicopters are for the new battlefield environment. AH Viper seems to be most attractive successor ATM. Some would like to use what was learned in the development of the OH-1 for making a new attack heli but that is of course more expensive than just buying from abroad. One more example is the low production number of OH-1s. Originally meant to replace the bulk of OH-6s but production run went far short of that.

 

So even if Koreans complain about growing Japanese defense capabilities, their failure to see the big picture really goes to show how displaced from reality their thinking is. But with that said, I reckon there is a sizable chunk that do recognize these things, like 1 out of 4 or 5 adults. Unlike Japanese public space were hate speech has been controlled (which does encounter freedom of speech debate), Japanese internet is free and there is a sizable amount of Korean bashing on the internet webs. Well its going to happen each time ROK does something like the latest being the case with the ROKN frigate aiming its fire control radar at a P-1 in January which spurred some of the Korean bashing on the internet. But the bashing does make for a difficult environment for the Koreans that don't take part in the mostly displaced Japan bashing.


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Posted 01 June 2019 - 2231 PM

Meanwhile JS Asahi and JS Ariake participated in Exercise Pacific Vanguard in which the other participants were from the US, Australia, and the ROK.

 

From May 20th to May 22nd, the two Japanese warships conducted a joint-cruise with HMAS Melbourne and HMAS Parramatta from waters south of Honshu to the water area around Guam.

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From May 23rd to May 28th the above 4 warships conducted various forms of joint-training with a RAN sub (HMAS Farncomb), USS Blue Ridge, USS Antietam, USS Curtis Wilbur, USNS Rappahannock, USNS Richard E. Byrd, a P-8A, EA-18Gs, and ROKS Wang Geon in waters around Guam.

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On May 29th, JS Asahi, JS Ariake, and USS Curtis Wilbur conducted joint-training in the water area around Guam. ANd later that day, the three warships conducted ASW joint-training with HMAS Farncomb.

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https://www.mod.go.j...05/20190530.pdf


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Posted 02 June 2019 - 0219 AM

 

 

At Singapore during an international fleet review a few days ago.

IzumoMurasame2.jpg

 

Does the JMSDF still have the Rising sun as a naval pennant?

 

That deck looks like it really warrants some Zero's and Kates on it.

 

 

Yes it does, much to the chagrin of Korea and Koreans.

 

 

Well, they didnt suffer much worse than our captured servicemen. I dont have an issue with it. Its just a surprise, is all.


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Posted 02 June 2019 - 0457 AM

 

 

 

At Singapore during an international fleet review a few days ago.
 

 
Does the JMSDF still have the Rising sun as a naval pennant?
 
That deck looks like it really warrants some Zero's and Kates on it.
 
 
Yes it does, much to the chagrin of Korea and Koreans.
 
 
Well, they didnt suffer much worse than our captured servicemen. I dont have an issue with it. Its just a surprise, is all.
 

 
They were colonized. It really is different than captured servicemen during a war. Although Taiwan was also colonized. The difference of sentiment towards Japan between Taiwan and ROK is a big topic.
 
But being brief or lazy about that discussion risk excusing bad thinking.
 
For example, in the early 1990s up until around 2016, MSM often produced news saying "Imperial Japanese Army forced 200,000 Korean women and girls to become sex slaves" in a way that gives an air of truth. But in reality it was closer to a regular prostitution system in that there was a payment system, about half of the women searching recruiters and brothel owners were also Korean, and that there was no case of Imperial Japanese soldiers banging on the doors of households demanding the women and girls. And in the context of Japan and Korea in those days, prostitution was legal, and sex service has its own history in Korea before it was colonized, so applying today's standards on women is inappropriate. It is of course appropriate to reflect on that history and conclude that we can do better than those days and is also fair to say that Korea was part of that system because it was part of Imperial Japan so apologize can be made. But does that make what is stated in the quote correct? Sure of course exaggerations are made all the time about all sorts of things. But when an exaggeration are to further extension falsehood is treaty as correct, its grants excuse to the exaggeration. A sociable person's take about granting pardon or excuse could be just once or twice only out of having a feeling of understanding that is just vented, then the exaggeration would settle down. But the idea in the quote has been the message excused for years and years, 25 years even, and I would argue it was starting to have some real geopolitical consequences because that exaggeration was a natural hindrance to the call for Japan to step up against the rising PRC security challenge.
 
So if "it is just a surprise", then it really goes to show that MSM has really left a deep mark since it remains unknown as to how exaggerations and isolated cases are extracted out of context are part of the reason as to why why many Koreans hate Japan today. They don't have to like the past of colonization, but outside foreign media or curious outside listeners are often very quick to excuse any exaggeration or hate sentiment directed at Japan. And I dare say part of that underlying disposition is because of the victor's glory that the great majority of westerners have. The disposition follows the tract of thought in very simple terms. WW2. Japan bad. Korea was Japan colony. So Korea was victim. So whatever Korea says is true, even if maybe not all true, but is victim, so after all all true. End of story. What was also true that is never reported in MSM is that the Korean Queen wanted security guarantee from Russia which was totally unacceptable for Japan. Korea literacy rate was also only about 10% in year 1900. Contrary to 1943 declaration how Japan took Korea by greed so was justified to tear apart the empire, back in 1910 when Japan annexed Korea, Japan received praise from the US and Great Britain. Why? Japan-Anglo alliance was anti-Russia and the US was busy colonizing the Philippines at the same time. Japan gets Korea. US gets the Philippines so fair is fair. That was the take at that time. I could go and on...
 
So one more point and that is Korean history textbooks. Contrary to how for the most of 1990s and 2000s that the subject was always about Japanese history textbooks being the problem, apparently the real problem were the ROK history textbooks. The creation of those books have been closer to the state (afterall they were a dictatorship until 1988) and so the telling of history was very biased and nationalistic, how else do you get kids to draw pictures like these? 2010 or whenever they were made, those pictures for real? Consider this publication by Standford faculty.
https://aparc.fsi.st...ivided_memories
https://aparc.fsi.st...he_wars_in_asia
https://www.nippon.c...rs-in-asia.html
 
So the bottom point I'm getting to is to what extent is it ok to excuse or pardon a sentiment? Depends on what the sentiment keeps on saying and for how long they keep on saying. Other factors of course are the self-serving interests of other parties and their take (or want).


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 0700 AM

Poster for Reiwa 1 Fuji combined live fire demonstration.

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Posted 04 June 2019 - 0648 AM

Five C-2s in formation.

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 0802 AM

Combat Information Center of the Japanese helicopter destroyer and soon-to-be aircraft carrier JS Izumo (DDH-183)

 

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Posted 09 June 2019 - 0540 AM

160 personnel from the 13th Infantry Regiment, 12th Brigade of the JGSDF will conduct trilateral joint-training in Queensland, Australia from May 10th to June 14th with the Australian Army (720 personnel from 7th Brigade) and the USMC (250 personnel from 3rd Marine Expeditionary Force).

https://www.mod.go.j...df/20190509.pdf

 

The name of the exercise was Southern Jacakroo 19.

 

JGSDF brought down with them an FH70.

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JGSDF got the chance to shoot with some Australian M777s

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USMC brought along the Osprey, an aircraft that has become a very common sight in joint-exercises.

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A general over view of the exercise.


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Posted 12 June 2019 - 0508 AM

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About 330 personnel from the Amphibious Rapid Deployment Brigade and 1st Helicopter Brigade will bring along AAV7s, CH-47, etc and train with the USMC and USN in Queensland Australia from June 3rd to August 21st, during Exercise Talisman Sabre 19.

https://www.mod.go.j...20190523_02.pdf

 

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The quoted JGSDF units were loaded up on JS Ise and JS Kunisaki and departed from Sasebo naval base on June 3rd and headed to Australia for the quoted training. They went to Australia together with USS Green Bay and USS Ashland, conducting joint-training along the way.

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Posted 13 June 2019 - 0506 AM

JS Izumo, JS Murasame, and JS Akebono conducted joint-training with USS Ronald Reagan from June 10th to June 12th in the South China Sea.

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Posted 15 June 2019 - 0549 AM

After that the three Japanese warships conducted joint-training with HMCS Regina and MV Asterix off from the Vietnamese Coast in the South China Sea from June 13th to June 15th.

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Posted 20 June 2019 - 0941 AM

After spending a few days stay at Vietnam, and conducting some joint-training with a Vietnamese patrol ship, JS Izumo and JS Murasame linked up again with JS Akebono and the three warships again conducted joint-training with the USS Ronald Reagan group in the South China Sea on the 19th and 20th of June.

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Three more images in the report link: https://www.mod.go.j...06/20190620.pdf


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Posted 23 June 2019 - 0728 AM

About 110 personnel from the JGSDF 1st Infantry Battalion (1st Airborne Division) will conduct joint-training in Alaska from May 22nd to June 28th with about 140 personnel from the US Army 4-25 Infantry Brigade Combat Team (Airborne) and 1-501 Infantry Regiment.

https://www.mod.go.j...20190516_02.pdf

 

A total of about 280 personnel from the JASDF will conduct training in Alaska from May 27th to June 29th, a period that includes participation in the Red Flag Alaska exercise. They will be coming with six F-2s, one E-767, and two C-130Hs. Also particpating in the exercise is NATO units, the Thai Air Force, and ROK Air Force.

https://www.mod.go.j...31/20190524.pdf

 

Some pictures of both the JASDF and JGSDF stated in the above quotes, along with some other pictures, from Red Flag 19-2.

 

1st Airborne jumping from American and Japanese C-130s.

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https://www.dvidshub...lag-alaska-19-2

 

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https://www.dvidshub...lag-alaska-19-2

 

Some pictures of several of the aircraft from Red Flag 19-2.

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 0912 AM

South Korean lawfare against Japan continues, as a deadline of July 15 has been given for further wartime forced labor compensation from Japanese firms.
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Posted 27 June 2019 - 0335 AM

 

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About 330 personnel from the Amphibious Rapid Deployment Brigade and 1st Helicopter Brigade will bring along AAV7s, CH-47, etc and train with the USMC and USN in Queensland Australia from June 3rd to August 21st, during Exercise Talisman Sabre 19.

https://www.mod.go.j...20190523_02.pdf

 

...

 

The quoted JGSDF units were loaded up on JS Ise and JS Kunisaki and departed from Sasebo naval base on June 3rd and headed to Australia for the quoted training. They went to Australia together with USS Green Bay and USS Ashland, conducting joint-training along the way.

ts19a1.jpg

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Three images of unloaded and some inspection of equipment before the joint-training with the USMC in Australia begins.

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 0617 AM

After visiting Brunei from June 23rd to June 26th and joint-training with KDB Daruttaqwa on the 26th, JS Izumo, Murasame, and Akebono conducted training with JS Tsugaru of the Japanese Coast Guard off of the coast of Brunei on the 26th.

https://www.facebook...EpeGA&__tn__=-R

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https://www.mod.go.j...06/20190626.pdf

 

On mention of a coast guard ship, it should be considered that the US Coast Guard has also started a presence in the SCS area, conducting joint-training with the Philippines on May 14th. Text in spoiler.

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