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#18621 Roman Alymov

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Posted 21 July 2019 - 1048 AM

 

One of your own bloggers revealed the presence of a Russian 2A65 battery in Syria

No idea who is "my own blogger" but we have discussed pair of obviously Russian guns among Syrian troops in Syrian desert. Probably they were the ones later found to be firing guided shells in cooperation with drone-provided artillery direction

This is good tool - presence of couple of batteries like this operating on pro-Rus side would significantly decrease pro-Ukrainian desire for shelling. But our Gov is too pro-Western for that.

 

 

 


 What I find cringeworthy and way below your usual standard is attempting to claim the moral high ground by posting photos of endangered children. Were I to stoop to this level of argument, I could find loads of pics of kids cowering in cellars.

First, this photo is different from numerous other photos of children taking cover in the basements in Donbass and, wider, other places across the globe because Italian journalist Andrea Rocchelli  and his Russian guide/translator Andrey Miroinov were killed by Pro-Ukrainians shortly after it, and now their killer,  citizen of Italy and Ukraine (while dual citizenship is illegal in Ukraine), who by mere coincidence was found to be of Nazi views,  enjoy full support from top officials of Ukraine, including almighty Minister of Interior. Have to mention here Andrey Miroinov was, by grim irony if fate, Soviet-time "dissident" and even served labor camps for "anti-soviet propaganda" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Nikolaevich_Mironov - effectively - so he lost his life covering events he spent his best years making possible. " The last article authored by Andrei Mironov accompanied by photographs of his colleague and friend Italian photojournalist Andrea Rocchelli, recorded the trauma of children under fire"

  
Second, while children taking cover in basements is common for all numerous wars across the globe, what is uncommon is top official of the country being so open (or so drunk or just stupid) to declare officially and publically that  keeping children in basements is his country win strategy. Worth noting here that President Poroshenko, despite all his claims of "we fight against Russian aggression", was speaking about children who are citizens of Ukraine- because Ukrainians are only brave to shell places they know are not protected by Russian Army.

  
Third, from my Russian perspective, this children in Slavyansk basement  are different from children hiding in basements of Yemen or Iraq - because unlike children of Yemen, their only difference from children in Moscow or Rostov-on-Don is their parents happened to live on wrong side of USSR internal administrative lines. Unfortunately our Gov failed to recognize it when pro-Ukrainians were shelling them - and only few days ago Putin with his decree granted fast-track Russian citizenship for all people living in Donetsk and Lugansk regions, not only pro-Rus controlled territory - de-facto acknowledging them as Russians
https://www.unian.in...sk-regions.html
Russian President Vladimir Putin has extended his decree on simplified procedures for granting Russian citizenship to all residents from Ukraine's Donetsk and Luhansk regions, also known as Donbas.

 

So, taking into consideration this people were not less Russian in 2014 than they are in 2019,  it is quite obvious why many people in Russia label Putin as traitor.

 

P.S. 1984 in action  - Italian Police statement changed

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#18622 Roman Alymov

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Posted 21 July 2019 - 1121 AM

the ´´resettable´´ in your post means reusable, as in training missile (for ground personnel)?

 

No idea what Italian police mean by this. May be our Italian members could help.


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Posted 21 July 2019 - 1643 PM

 

and again,  your ´because nazis´  brushes completely aside the fact that ukraine side had some rather loose warrior bands, except Azov, while russian side had their neo-nazis/neo-soviets etc. coordinated at highest level - FSB, GRU

 

and honestly, is the ukrainian-nazis theme your personal ´´but in america they lynch negros´´- thing   :P​

 

https://en.wikipedia...ynching_Negroes

As for me, "some rather loose warrior bands" is good description of entire Ukraine armed forces and law enforcement - since they are deliberately constructed like this right from the beginning, to make it possible for oligarchs and politicians to use police and armed units for business own games. Note the guys on this photo published on official President Poroshenko facebook page, are not Azov but elite paratrooper unit of regular Ukr Army,
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as for " while russian side had their neo-nazis/neo-soviets etc. coordinated at highest level - FSB, GRU" - IMHO it is senseless combination of words. Neo-Nazis and "neo-soviets" are opposite ends of political spectrum, at least here in Russia (for example, Navalny was trying to be neo-Nazi with "Russia for Russians" slogan before  turning to more profitable business of extracting foreign grants).In practice, there are units in Donbass militia who are considering themselves as "communist", while others consider themselves "Cossacks" and even monarchists (for example, Strelkov is monarchist, but is not pretending to spread his political views on others). Still, i do not know any Ukrainian-style Nazi units in Donetsk/Lugansk - while above mentioned Azov got more tanks than entire Estonia. Also FSB and GRU are not "highest level" - FSB is federal agency (one of many), GRU is not even agency but part of MoD. And i'm sure you got proofs of then coordinating neo-nazis, as it is crime in Russia.


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Posted 21 July 2019 - 1807 PM

Pro-Russian UAZ escaping pro-Ukr artillery strike


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Posted Yesterday, 12:46 PM

 

 

and again,  your ´because nazis´  brushes completely aside the fact that ukraine side had some rather loose warrior bands, except Azov, while russian side had their neo-nazis/neo-soviets etc. coordinated at highest level - FSB, GRU

 

and honestly, is the ukrainian-nazis theme your personal ´´but in america they lynch negros´´- thing   :P​

 

https://en.wikipedia...ynching_Negroes

As for me, "some rather loose warrior bands" is good description of entire Ukraine armed forces and law enforcement - since they are deliberately constructed like this right from the beginning, to make it possible for oligarchs and politicians to use police and armed units for business own games. Note the guys on this photo published on official President Poroshenko facebook page, are not Azov but elite paratrooper unit of regular Ukr Army,
d26982589de8e958f89f9595f7dd61d4.jpeg

 

as for " while russian side had their neo-nazis/neo-soviets etc. coordinated at highest level - FSB, GRU" - IMHO it is senseless combination of words. Neo-Nazis and "neo-soviets" are opposite ends of political spectrum, at least here in Russia (for example, Navalny was trying to be neo-Nazi with "Russia for Russians" slogan before  turning to more profitable business of extracting foreign grants).In practice, there are units in Donbass militia who are considering themselves as "communist", while others consider themselves "Cossacks" and even monarchists (for example, Strelkov is monarchist, but is not pretending to spread his political views on others). Still, i do not know any Ukrainian-style Nazi units in Donetsk/Lugansk - while above mentioned Azov got more tanks than entire Estonia. Also FSB and GRU are not "highest level" - FSB is federal agency (one of many), GRU is not even agency but part of MoD. And i'm sure you got proofs of then coordinating neo-nazis, as it is crime in Russia.

 

all sorts of ideological zombies find remarkably easily common ground because they see the world in similar terms and colours . hence all sorts of neo-s in europe support russia and putin.

 

as for ´´And i'm sure you got proofs of then coordinating neo-nazis, as it is crime in Russia.´´

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=xBl9YuctkXM


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#18626 Roman Alymov

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Posted Yesterday, 02:28 PM

all sorts of ideological zombies find remarkably easily common ground because they see the world in similar terms and colours . hence all sorts of neo-s in europe support russia and putin.

Do they?  Probably this guys are unaware of it

  
But of course Westerners are ready to find excuse

  
Are your local Nazi collaborators supporters included into this "all"?
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox8Y3qr3gQU


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Posted Yesterday, 02:30 PM

 

 

as for ´´And i'm sure you got proofs of then coordinating neo-nazis, as it is crime in Russia.´´

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=xBl9YuctkXM

 

It is hard proof, of course


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Posted Yesterday, 02:46 PM

Another "ceasefire" lasted for one day


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Posted Yesterday, 03:10 PM

 

 

  
Are your local Nazi collaborators supporters included into this "all"?
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox8Y3qr3gQU

 

yes, of course. 


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Posted Today, 12:57 PM

Ukraine plans to continue building nuclear reactors after 30 years pause

 

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Completion of the nuclear units 3 and 4 at Khmelnitsky NPP:project status and risks 1 August 2018


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