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#21 Special-K

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Posted 30 December 2019 - 1120 AM

A2A= F-22, F-15C.

 

 

But won't the F-15EX mean they will be retiring the F-15C?

 

 

 

 

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Posted 30 December 2019 - 1201 PM

They'll probably pitch it as yet another way of getting rid of the A-10


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Posted 30 December 2019 - 1307 PM

 

A2A= F-22, F-15C.

 

 

But won't the F-15EX mean they will be retiring the F-15C?

 

 

 

 

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C/D's thjat are reaching the end of there life, yes.


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Posted 30 December 2019 - 1603 PM

Optimizing the supply and training chain for the F-35 for the next quarter century was part of its cost-benefit pitch in the first place. Bogging that chain down with a parallel F-15EX one was not.

 

If the nearly brand-new F-35 is not the answer, accountability becomes as much of a question as how cool the F-15 will look in action against A2A and S2A threats in 2035.

 

Hopefully not in the form of large white kill stars painted underneath the canopies and launcher panels of adversary fighter aircraft and missile batteries.


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#25 seahawk

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Posted 31 December 2019 - 0705 AM

It will do just fine, as it will stay away from the S2A systems and would encounter the A2A threats only in a defensive role. And in that it will to just fine. You just do not need super stealthy planes to guard your high value assets or defend the rear approaches from cruise missiles.


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Posted 31 December 2019 - 1548 PM

A competent adversary is going to do its best to ensure that plan, among other things, does not survive first contact with it.


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#27 EchoFiveMike

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Posted 31 December 2019 - 1637 PM

Who is that competent adversary?  And why are we supposed to care?  We need bomb trucks, if we even need those to be manned.

 

Frankly, all this "why don't you and him fight?(so we can profit)" shit is getting really old.    S/F....Ken M


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#28 Dawes

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Posted 31 December 2019 - 1834 PM

We also have the uber-stealthy, advanced technology, and lemon-scented B-21 on the way to drop lots of bombs on unpleasant people. Assuming, of course, that it doesn't turn out to be a budget consuming train wreck.


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#29 Nobu

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Posted 31 December 2019 - 2243 PM

That theoretical competent adversary is what got the F-35 program funded in the first place. If there has not actually been one all this time, public apathy may be what the beneficiaries of that program are counting on.


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#30 Adam_S

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Posted 01 January 2020 - 0345 AM

This definitely doesn't smack of corporate welfare for Boeing either.


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#31 seahawk

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Posted 01 January 2020 - 0506 AM

A competent adversary is going to do its best to ensure that plan, among other things, does not survive first contact with it.

But he does not change your missions, HVAs will need CAP, as will airbases and so on, and you will also need something to carry your big (hypersonic) missiles to their launch points outside the enemies AD system. 


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#32 bfng3569

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Posted 02 January 2020 - 1253 PM

there an older F-15 E/X thread that goes into a lot of this.

 

one of the other often over looked issues is the C/D models that are ancient that require significant upgrades (costly) to keep them flying, and the infrastructure needed for the F-35.  From Pilot training to ground crew training, facilities etc etc etc.  its not just about building the air-frames, it's also largely about the infrastructure needed to support them.


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#33 Burncycle360

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Posted 02 January 2020 - 1453 PM

The ideal situation for some would be for the line to no longer exist (as with the F-14, the CH-46, and so on) so they can simply tell congress they've done a cost-benefit analysis and it's cost prohibitive to reopen the line and continue producing the legacy aircraft with upgrades, and the only rational choice is to pour more money into what they want.

Of course they can't do that here, the F-15 line does exist because export customers keep buying them.   With Boeing getting caught Volkswagoning their self certifications and getting people killed, and milking the SLS for all it's worth while they still can, they're badly in need of contracts to say solvent and we're in the boat we're in.   We could do worse.  There is a niche for a low risk, heavy strike fighter without emphasis on LO for those LOOOOONG boring CAPs, escorts, no fly zone enforcement and now and then some good old fashioned bomb hauling, where the last thing you want is the maintenance headache of maintaining the LO features.   Really the only thing that would have been better would be F-119 derivative powerplant compatibility and carrier compatibility so we can consolidate types, but I doubt Iran would be willing to sell those back to us to reverse engineer ;)


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#34 Simon Tan

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Posted 05 January 2020 - 0348 AM

F22 should always have been the basis for future manned air dominance. Iltoo long has elapsed. It really needs a ground up rework.

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