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#601 Josh

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Posted 16 September 2019 - 1407 PM

Why are you guys discounting the easy thing to do, which is what is being reported? Apparently they came from Iraq, plenty of desert and not much vigilance looking that way nowadays, a bunch of trucks can drive there from Iran and back in what? 6 hours?

 

I don't see much advantage to an Iraq launch. The only people who probably would be in a position to track weapons through there is the US, and so far the administration has not yet made that claim. I'm not ruling it out; hopefully some radar information surfaces.


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Posted 16 September 2019 - 1417 PM

 

Its looks like precision munitions were used in this attack. That is, it wasn't just suicidal drones crashing into things; it looks like very consistant dead center holes were made in specific storage and cracking facilities. According to these pictures, it looks like as many as 17 separate impacts occurred:

https://iran.liveuam...assified-photos

Especially interesting to compare it with effect of 100+ US cruise missile strike on Syria (where, as US Administration claimed, all missiles reached target)

 

 

The attack it reminded me of a little was the Israeli one on the Iranian drone shed at Damascus airport with the almost perfectly aligned SDB holes in the roof like the dots on an eight spot domino. Really impressive.


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Posted 16 September 2019 - 1421 PM

 

 

 

I don't see much advantage to an Iraq launch. The only people who probably would be in a position to track weapons through there is the US, and so far the administration has not yet made that claim. I'm not ruling it out; hopefully some radar information surfaces.

 

Interesting to compare long and painful process of creating some kind of at least plausable fake against Iran  with immediate wave of blame in Western media in case of MH17 (when not only plausible "evidence" were not created - but wreck was still burning. A lot changed since 2014.

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https://uk.reuters.c...s-idUKKBN1W12DB

Putin proposes Russian weapons for Saudi Arabia after oil industry attacks

ANKARA (Reuters) - Russia is ready to help Saudi Arabia following attacks on the Saudi oil industry if needed, Russian President Vladimir Putin said after talks with leaders of Turkey and Iran in Ankara on Monday, and proposed Russian weapons for purchase.

“We are ready to provide respective assistance to Saudi Arabia, and it would be enough for the political leadership of Saudi Arabia to make a wise government decision - as the leaders of Iran did in their time by purchasing S-300 and as (Turkish) President (Tayyip) Erdogan did by purchasing the latest S-400 ‘Triumph’ air defence systems from Russia,” Putin said.

These Russian weapons would protect any infrastructure facilities of Saudi Arabia, he added.


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#604 Chris Werb

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Posted 16 September 2019 - 1434 PM

In 2001 we saw a small group of zealots with box cutters change the world.

 

In 2019, we have seen how a small force, presumably armed with suicide drones, can reduce the oil production of one of the world's largest oil producers by 50% and push up the price of oil world wide by 14%. They can do it against a staggeringly rich, heavily armed country that has had decades to prepare to defend its most critical installations from air attack. They did so with zero losses and without the target nation or its allies being able to credibly even point to the country the munitions were launched from. They also achieved it without directly killing anyone.

 

I find this both highly impressive and very worrying. 


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Posted 16 September 2019 - 1451 PM

 

In 2019, we have seen how a small force, presumably armed with suicide drones, can reduce the oil production of one of the world's largest oil producers by 50% and push up the price of oil world wide by 14%. They can do it against a staggeringly rich, heavily armed country that has had decades to prepare to defend its most critical installations for air attack. They did so with zero losses and without the target nation or its allies being able to credibly even point to the country the munitions were launched from. They also achieved it without directly killing anyone.

 

I find this both highly impressive and very worrying. 

Also interesting to see effects of it on the way globl finance is played  - imagine implications of this or that financial institution given couple of days warning of the events... And attack like this is really cheap, next to zero for global corporation.

  "With adequate profit, capital is very bold. A certain 10 percent will ensure its employment anywhere; 20 percent certain will produce eagerness; 50 percent, positive audacity; 100 percent will make it ready to trample on all human laws; 300 percent, and there is not a crime at which it will scruple, nor a risk it will not run, even to the chance of its owner being hanged."

 

Saudi Aramco IPO estimation reportedly down 300bln USD . 


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Posted 16 September 2019 - 1535 PM

Yes, Roman. I had that very conversation with an (ex British Army Intelligence) friend at work today  (and we're not exactly Marxists :) ).


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Posted 18 September 2019 - 1303 PM

In 2001 we saw a small group of zealots with box cutters change the world.

 

In 2019, we have seen how a small force, presumably armed with suicide drones, can reduce the oil production of one of the world's largest oil producers by 50% and push up the price of oil world wide by 14%. They can do it against a staggeringly rich, heavily armed country that has had decades to prepare to defend its most critical installations from air attack. They did so with zero losses and without the target nation or its allies being able to credibly even point to the country the munitions were launched from. They also achieved it without directly killing anyone.

 

I find this both highly impressive and very worrying. 

 

Well, in a couple of days, the price has gone down to where it was more or less. Despite all the bruhaha, the infrastructure is robust enough that stocks and other sites can take the slack.


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Posted 18 September 2019 - 1311 PM

In 2001 we saw a small group of zealots with box cutters change the world.
 
In 2019, we have seen how a small force, presumably armed with suicide drones, can reduce the oil production of one of the world's largest oil producers by 50% and push up the price of oil world wide by 14%. They can do it against a staggeringly rich, heavily armed country that has had decades to prepare to defend its most critical installations from air attack. They did so with zero losses and without the target nation or its allies being able to credibly even point to the country the munitions were launched from. They also achieved it without directly killing anyone.
 
I find this both highly impressive and very worrying.


By 50 percent, for just two weeks. Impressive it is, the initial chapter for 'Red Storm Rising' it isnt.
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#609 Roman Alymov

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Posted 18 September 2019 - 1322 PM

 

 

 

Well, in a couple of days, the price has gone down to where it was more or less. Despite all the bruhaha, the infrastructure is robust enough that stocks and other sites can take the slack.

 

  This may also be indication of global economic crisis rising - demand for oil is low.


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Posted 18 September 2019 - 1435 PM

 

In 2001 we saw a small group of zealots with box cutters change the world.
 
In 2019, we have seen how a small force, presumably armed with suicide drones, can reduce the oil production of one of the world's largest oil producers by 50% and push up the price of oil world wide by 14%. They can do it against a staggeringly rich, heavily armed country that has had decades to prepare to defend its most critical installations from air attack. They did so with zero losses and without the target nation or its allies being able to credibly even point to the country the munitions were launched from. They also achieved it without directly killing anyone.
 
I find this both highly impressive and very worrying.


By 50 percent, for just two weeks. Impressive it is, the initial chapter for 'Red Storm Rising' it isnt.

 

 

Except the former actually happened and the latter was a (now historical) jongoistic military fantasy novel. :)


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