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#1 Burncycle360

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 1613 PM

Always been curious so I thought I'd ask here, the benches appear long enough to squeeze three people per, but I've only ever seen pictures with two on them, is it a weight constraint?
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Posted 12 September 2018 - 1654 PM

Is the extra length to act as a casualty evacuation litter when needed?
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Posted 12 September 2018 - 1659 PM

That was my guess as well. I suspect you also start to have weight and/or balance issues with six troops but the length would allow one external stretcher like the old MASH TV show.


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Posted 12 September 2018 - 1718 PM

I taken by my local AAC squadron in Colchester operating the Souix with casualty litters until they were replaced by Gazelles in 1977.
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Posted 12 September 2018 - 1943 PM

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 0415 AM

I suspect the usual four-man loadout may have as simple a reason as this being a common basic SOF team size. Though as that's already one more passenger than would ordinarily fit on the back bench inside the cabine, it may be taxing lift capability/performance as it is.


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Posted 18 September 2018 - 0801 AM

I suspect the usual four-man loadout may have as simple a reason as this being a common basic SOF team size. Though as that's already one more passenger than would ordinarily fit on the back bench inside the cabine, it may be taxing lift capability/performance as it is.

 

That and the external loads add drag, further decreasing performance.


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#8 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 18 September 2018 - 0847 AM

One other thought is the amount of time it takes to rappel down the line.  You arent really going to want to stay in a hover too long with multiples hooking up to a single line.

https://youtu.be/L5OquYTgQBk?t=109


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Posted 18 September 2018 - 0857 AM

I thought they usually just landed or did a low hover and the SOFs unbuckled and jumped off? Thought the whole point of the little bird was that it could go and land in places normal transports couldn't.


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Posted 18 September 2018 - 0902 AM

Dont know, I would assume there are some roofs they would be reluctant to touch down on, or an area that would be dangerous to land in.

 

I dont know, you have a point, they are pretty damn small.


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Posted 18 September 2018 - 2242 PM

There are fast rope points and it still may be prudent in some circumstances to use them if you're worried about guy lines, masts, power lines and wooded clearings too small for the rotor

The max external sling load specs for the MD500E (I believe it was) was 2,000 pounds but I don't know under what conditions, presumably less if hot and high.
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Posted 19 September 2018 - 0150 AM

Have you any idea how many rope points they have on the 500?


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Posted 19 September 2018 - 0312 AM

Have you any idea how many rope points they have on the 500?

There's mounting hardware for two (one on each side above the bench / doors).   The entire bracket can come off and has three points of contact to the fuselage, but I'm not privy to how often these are mounted or used in practice.


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Posted 19 September 2018 - 0838 AM

Have you any idea how many rope points they have on the 500?

There's mounting hardware for two (one on each side above the bench / doors).   The entire bracket can come off and has three points of contact to the fuselage, but I'm not privy to how often these are mounted or used in practice.


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I guess it is dependant on the situation. If they can touch down and let the team hop off or if they have to hover above a roof or ship etc.
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Posted 19 September 2018 - 0901 AM

 

Have you any idea how many rope points they have on the 500?

There's mounting hardware for two (one on each side above the bench / doors).   The entire bracket can come off and has three points of contact to the fuselage, but I'm not privy to how often these are mounted or used in practice.


8du5Vv1.jpg

 

 

Thank you, thats most interesting.


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Posted 20 September 2018 - 2226 PM


 


Have you any idea how many rope points they have on the 500?

There's mounting hardware for two (one on each side above the bench / doors).   The entire bracket can come off and has three points of contact to the fuselage, but I'm not privy to how often these are mounted or used in practice.


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Thank you, thats most interesting.

Of course, theres no hook on/hook off with fast roping, so four pax off via two ropes is pretty quick.
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