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#321 R011

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Posted 25 November 2018 - 0936 AM

If the enemy are not third world insurgents, you will need a system that has a multipurpose AT and HE firing weapon with machine gun(s) for close support.  It should have excellent battlefield mobility and be resistant to enemy fire.  Such systems do exist and have since 1916.  Obviously I'm talking about tanks.

 

The downside is that they don't fit on Hercs and are best deployed to theatre by land or sea.


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Posted 25 November 2018 - 1029 AM

We're clearly talking about a weapon with a supporting role, primarily intended for reducing pockets of 3rd world scum.  

 

I'm all for making most of US forces super heavy nation killers, but honestly, at the point we're doing that, we might as well simply nuke them.  S/F....Ken M


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Posted 18 December 2018 - 0938 AM

Someone may have decided that a wheeled deathtrap doesn't cut it, as Great-grandson of M8 appears again.

https://defence-blog...epower.html/amp

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Posted 18 December 2018 - 1459 PM

Someone may have decided that a wheeled deathtrap doesn't cut it, as Great-grandson of M8 appears again.

https://defence-blog...epower.html/amp

 

Two firms were down-selected, with General Dynamics being the other one.


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 0940 AM

This is not good news, but at least remedial actions can be taken:

 

 

The U.S. Army's New Up-Gunned Stryker Armored Vehicles Have Been Hacked

 

It’s been more than a year since the first up-gunned Stryker Dragoon armored vehicles arrived in Europe, giving elements of the U.S. Army’s forward-deployed 2nd Cavalry Regiment a much-needed boost in firepower against potential threats. Since then, unfortunately, unspecified “adversaries” – a term the U.S. military has used in the past to describe the Russians, but that could also mean surrogate opponents during an exercise – have also been able to disrupt certain systems on the vehicles with a cyber attack on at least one occasion.

 

The Pentagon’s Office of the Director of Test and Evaluation, or DOT&E, revealed the existence of the Stryker Dragoon’s cyber vulnerabilities in its most recent annual report on the status of the vehicle’s ongoing development during the 2018 Fiscal Year. The initial batch of these vehicles, also known as the XM1296 or the Infantry Carrier Vehicle-Dragoon (ICV-D), touched down in Germany in December 2017. The Army had begun developing the new variant, which features a new turret with a 30mm automatic cannon, directly in response to a request from the 2nd Cavalry Regiment in 2015.

 

“Adversaries demonstrated the ability to degrade select capabilities of the ICV-D when operating in a contested cyber environment,” DOT&E’s report, which the office released in January 2019, said. “In most cases, the exploited vulnerabilities pre-date the integration of the lethality upgrades.”

 

The report does not say where the cyber attack or attacks occurred or what specific systems they impacted. It seems most likely that the attacks had an effect on the vehicle’s data-sharing, navigation, or digital communications capabilities. Disrupting any of these systems, or adding false or confusing information into the networks, can hamper or slow U.S. operations or create added risks for American forces. Army combat vehicles have onboard GPS navigation systems, as well as a GPS-enabled data-sharing system known as Blue Force Tracker that provides various information, including their relative position to friendly and possible hostile forces, which can help prevent friendly fire incidents.

 

 

 

The vehicles themselves may not have been the specific target, either. Cyber attacks against computer networks supporting any of the Stryker Dragoon’s onboard systems could have had a second-order effect on the vehicle’s ability to use those capabilities. There have been a string of reports from U.S. government watchdogs warning about serious cyber vulnerabilities across the U.S. military.

 

There is no indication from DOT&E's report that any other Stryker variants besides the Dragoon have experienced cyber attacks under any circumstances, but the report's note that these issues are not related to the “lethality upgrades.” This implies that the vulnerabilities are at least present in the standard M1126 Stryker Infantry Carrier Vehicle (ICV) and improved M1256 ICV with the blast-resistant double-v-hull. Depending on which systems are vulnerable, these issues may be present in other Stryker variants or entirely separate vehicle types, as well.

 


Edited by Dark_Falcon, 10 April 2019 - 1951 PM.

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 1204 PM

The Pentagon needs to troll the 2600 groups, 4Chan and Reddit and recruit hackers for stupid $ to proof test their systems. They need to be paid the highest reasonable salary to proof test this stuff to 1, prevent Chinese Honey Pots entrapping them and 2 to make sure that they stay interested. 

If this means they put them up in a remote hotel, with side entertainment and all the room service they want and an example of the system to be tested and some guards for security, so be it. We need to find these holes ourselves and not have them be found by an adversary. 


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 2130 PM

The Pentagon needs to troll the 2600 groups, 4Chan and Reddit and recruit hackers for stupid $ to proof test their systems. They need to be paid the highest reasonable salary to proof test this stuff to 1, prevent Chinese Honey Pots entrapping them and 2 to make sure that they stay interested. 

If this means they put them up in a remote hotel, with side entertainment and all the room service they want and an example of the system to be tested and some guards for security, so be it. We need to find these holes ourselves and not have them be found by an adversary. 

 

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 2214 PM

OH, and a reasonable supply of meds prescribed by doctors to keep them focused and then down time to get them R&R to reattain focus. If that means Adderall, some well screened hookers consultants from the Bunny Ranch...I'm fine with that. These uber geeks found Shia LeBouf's flag, in the middle of nowhere based on background images using contrails and timing.


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Posted 09 April 2019 - 1943 PM

A story to give You-Know-Who a nice fit of rage:

 

 

Denmark receives first production standard Piranha 5 and Eagle 5 vehicles

 

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The first Piranha 5 to be officially handed over to Denmark, alongside one of the legacy M113s that it will replace. Source: Henrik Kastenskov/FKO

 

The Royal Danish Army received its first production standard Piranha 5 and Eagle 5 armoured vehicles on 27 March, the Danish Ministry of Defence and General Dynamics European Land Systems (GDELS) have announced.

 

The official handover marked the beginning of deliveries of 309 production standard Piranha 5s ordered under a USD650 million contract in December 2015.

 

The Piranha 5 underwent a series of trials conducted by the Defence Acquisition and Logistics Organisation (DALO), after initial deliveries were made in 2018.

 

Danish Defence Minister Claus Hjort Frederiksen stated, "Our soldiers need modern equipment that meets the demands of the future battlefield ... With these vehicles I am confident that we can stand up in the future."

 

Deliveries of the Piranha 5 are expected to be completed by 2023 in six variants: command, armoured personnel carrier (APC), ambulance, recovery, engineering, and mortar platform. There will be at least 15 of the latter, carrying Austrian company ESL Advanced Information Technology's (ESLAIT's) 120 mm Advanced Automated Autonomous Mortar System (A3MS) selected in 2016.


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Posted 09 April 2019 - 2231 PM

Good Lord that's a big target! If you're ging to get something that much bigger than a M113 or LAV III, you may as well just say fuck it and get a Namer or a similar tank-based HAPC..


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Posted 10 April 2019 - 0735 AM

Good Lord that's a big target! If you're ging to get something that much bigger than a M113 or LAV III, you may as well just say fuck it and get a Namer or a similar tank-based HAPC..

More interior space to dodge the penetrations...


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Posted 10 April 2019 - 1050 AM

 

Good Lord that's a big target! If you're ging to get something that much bigger than a M113 or LAV III, you may as well just say fuck it and get a Namer or a similar tank-based HAPC..

More interior space to dodge the penetrations...

 

 

Not only this :D and more working space inside and modern bulky armours, but  mine protection makes any vehicle high as well. The wheels still make sense, because they are better for roadmarches and considering the rather small Royal Army and the distances to cover plus commimtments abroad where even larger areas are to be covered makes this the imho right choice.


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#333 Chris Werb

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 1845 PM

 

Good Lord that's a big target! If you're ging to get something that much bigger than a M113 or LAV III, you may as well just say fuck it and get a Namer or a similar tank-based HAPC..

More interior space to dodge the penetrations...

 

 

When I started work, our company secretary was a chap who had flown Spitfires, then (much roomier) Thunderbolts in Burma. He said taking evasive action in a P-47 involved getting out of your seat and running around the cockpit. :)


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Posted 10 April 2019 - 2138 PM

Chris, thats what I was thinking of. 😜
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Posted 11 April 2019 - 1930 PM

Piranha 5 moves forward in Romania as well:

 

 

Romanian Piranha 5 completes live firing test

 

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The Piranha 5 as configured for Romania. Source: GDELS

 

The Piranha 5 armed with the Elbit UT30MK2 remote controlled weapon station with a 30 mm cannon has completed static and dynamic tests, General Dynamics European Land Systems (GDELS) announced in a 9 April press release.

 

The company added that the UT30MK2 exceeded customer requirements and that this milestone qualifies the system for Romanian requirements. The GDELS press release also states that another milestone, Romanian company Uzina Mecanică Bucureşti’s (UMB’s) readiness to manufacture the Piranha 5, had been reached.

 

Oliver Dürr, vice-president of wheeled vehicles and managing director of GDELS-Mowag, is quoted by the press release as saying, “Our collaboration with UMB will create a sustainable benefit to the Romanian economy and reliability to the Romanian Army.”

 

The tests were conducted on 28 March in the presence of officials from the Romanian procurement authority at a firing range near Camp Rena in Norway.


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Posted 13 April 2019 - 1730 PM

Chris, thats what I was thinking of.

 

I guessed as much. I just thought it would be fun to relate a real world example :)


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Posted 13 April 2019 - 1800 PM

 

Chris, thats what I was thinking of.

 

I guessed as much. I just thought it would be fun to relate a real world example :)

 

Same page, my friend. Same page. ^_^


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Posted 06 May 2019 - 0850 AM

Dragoon moves forward in a big way:

 

 

Army to outfit Double V-Hull Strykers with 30mm firepower

 

 

WASHINGTON — The Army has decided to outfit three out of six of its brigades equipped with Double V-Hull A1 Stryker Infantry Carrier Vehicles with 30mm guns, according to an Army official.

 

The service plans to open up a competition to integrate and field up-gunned DVHA1, the official told Defense News on background.

 

The Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley and the Army Requirements Oversight Council decided on March 20 to equip future Stryker brigades with 30mm Medium Caliber Weapon System (MCWS) capability after reviewing lessons learned from the 2nd Cavalry Regiment in Europe. But he also directed the Army to ensure that the new MCWS capability be applied to the more mobile, better protected DVH ICVVA1 that will be the basis for the future Stryker fleet, according to the official.

 

Based on an urgent operational need out of Europe, the Army was provided emergency funding from Congress in 2015 — a little over $300 million — to rapidly develop and field a Stryker with a 30mm cannon specifically for the 2nd Cavalry Regiment, which is permanently stationed in Germany. The funding covered development, eight prototypes and upgrades to 83 production vehicles, as well as spares.

 

The Army spent 18 months to put together its upgunned Stryker using off-the-shelf solutions, such as the remote turret, from Kongsberg in Norway, and the 30mm cannon from Orbital ATK, and shipped those vehicles off to Europe for an evaluation that went on for the better part of a year.

 

The plan going forward is to execute a competition in two phases to select a 30x173mm-equipped MCWS integrated onto a Stryker DVH ICVVA1, the official said, which will lead to equipping the first brigade with a new capability in fiscal year 2022.


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Posted 06 May 2019 - 1444 PM

Not Dragoon specifically, necessarily. The competition for a 30x173mm-equipped turret for DVH Strykers could be awarded to any competitor.
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Posted 06 May 2019 - 2029 PM

Not Dragoon specifically, necessarily. The competition for a 30x173mm-equipped turret for DVH Strykers could be awarded to any competitor.

 

They'll likely call it the Dragoon, just with a different model number than the original M1296 since it will be based on the Double V Hull.


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