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#201 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 21 February 2019 - 1312 PM

At the risk of asking a truly dense question, does the Vatican have its own judicial system? Does it have, or did it ever have, its own penal system?

 

Just an idle thought that popped in my mind.


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Posted 21 February 2019 - 1331 PM

At the risk of asking a truly dense question, does the Vatican have its own judicial system? Does it have, or did it ever have, its own penal system?

 

Just an idle thought that popped in my mind.

 

The RCC has its own law, Canon Law. Oldest law system in the world, if I am not wrong. Not sure about the penal system.


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#203 Panzermann

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Posted 22 February 2019 - 0605 AM

 

At the risk of asking a truly dense question, does the Vatican have its own judicial system? Does it have, or did it ever have, its own penal system?

 

Just an idle thought that popped in my mind.

 

The RCC has its own law, Canon Law. Oldest law system in the world, if I am not wrong. Not sure about the penal system.

 

 

He asked about the vatican, which is the little tiny state. That of course has its own lawbooks. A proper constitution even. Though I don't know if there is a prison on the half a squarekilometer.

 

 

The RCC as  an organisational body has a collection of rules that grew over the centuries of course.


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Posted 22 February 2019 - 0625 AM

Going even further off topic, the Vatican has its own railway, the smallest in the world. Sadly they dont use it much anymore.

https://en.wikipedia...in_Vatican_City

 

I was just idly wondering, if the Pope did find there had been some criminality, specifically in the vatican, or even wider in the RCC, how they would deal with it. Is there capablity to prosecute on site, or jail, or do they have to depend on the wider Italian legal system?

 

Its of no consequence, I was just curious. Im kind of fascinated how small states work.


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Posted 22 February 2019 - 0911 AM

All bullshit.  Show me pedo-priest scalps or GTFO.  S/F....Ken M


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Posted 22 February 2019 - 1058 AM

All bullshit.  Show me pedo-priest scalps or GTFO.  S/F....Ken M

I can't disagree.


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Posted 22 February 2019 - 1131 AM

Going even further off topic, the Vatican has its own railway, the smallest in the world. Sadly they dont use it much anymore.

https://en.wikipedia...in_Vatican_City

 

I was just idly wondering, if the Pope did find there had been some criminality, specifically in the vatican, or even wider in the RCC, how they would deal with it. Is there capablity to prosecute on site, or jail, or do they have to depend on the wider Italian legal system?

 

Its of no consequence, I was just curious. Im kind of fascinated how small states work.

According to Wiki:

 

In accordance with article 3 of the 1929 Lateran Treaty between the Holy See and ItalySt. Peter's Square, although part of the Vatican City State, is normally patrolled by the Italian police, up to but not including the steps leading to the basilica.[7]

Article 22 of the Lateran Treaty provides that the Italian government, when requested by the Holy See, seeks prosecution and detention of criminal suspects, at the expense of the Vatican.[7]

The Vatican has no prison system, apart from a few cells for pre-trial detention.[8] People sentenced to imprisonment by the Vatican serve time in Italian prisons, with costs covered by the Vatican.[9]


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Posted 22 February 2019 - 1247 PM

Thats really very interesting, thanks for that.


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Posted 25 February 2019 - 2139 PM

Major (but not surprising) news from Australia:

 

There is more than one topic under the link.

 

https://www.abc.net....-trial/10837564

 

https://www.9news.co...lic-church-news


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Posted 26 February 2019 - 0345 AM

Major (but not surprising) news from Australia:

 

There is more than one topic under the link.

 

https://www.abc.net....-trial/10837564

 

https://www.9news.co...lic-church-news

 

No, not surprising.

 

https://infovaticana...-cardenal-pell/


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Posted 26 February 2019 - 0600 AM

Major (but not surprising) news from Australia:

 

There is more than one topic under the link.

 

https://www.abc.net....-trial/10837564

 

https://www.9news.co...lic-church-news

Until the secular arm starts prosecuting the pederasts in the RCC, no justice will be had for the victims.  The secular law needs to go in and clean up the RCC (and other churches).  It is obvious they cannot clean up themselves, especially since this Pope seems perfectly fine with it.


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Posted 26 February 2019 - 0606 AM

And this is why homosexuality is a sin. I don't watch t.v., but I have never heard about the relationship between the priests, children, and homosexuality during brief internet searches or listening to N.P.R.


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Posted 26 February 2019 - 0612 AM

It is not just homosexual sexual abuse of children, it is what is called Pederasty with adults.  A sexual assault, is a sexual assault, its a crime and needs to be punished severely.  A joke I heard recently:  "The only meat a priest can eat on friday is nun, but he can get salami all the time...."


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Posted 26 February 2019 - 0722 AM

 

Major (but not surprising) news from Australia:

 

There is more than one topic under the link.

 

https://www.abc.net....-trial/10837564

 

https://www.9news.co...lic-church-news

Until the secular arm starts prosecuting the pederasts in the RCC, no justice will be had for the victims.  The secular law needs to go in and clean up the RCC (and other churches).  It is obvious they cannot clean up themselves, especially since this Pope seems perfectly fine with it.

 

 

At this point, going after the pederasts isn't enough. There has been more than enough coverup to get others for conspiracy. It's a complete cluster.


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Posted 27 February 2019 - 0624 AM

I wonder if Cardinal Pell case is like McCarrick's, and if Cardinal Pell's verdict would change, or be overturned, after appeal.

 

https://www.catholic...orge-pell-99978

 

There is this angle to consider, also: https://infovaticana...-pactos-chinos/


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Posted 27 February 2019 - 0626 AM

I don't know, but the RCC needs to get a handle on this fast.  Either allow boy-bumping for all priests and recruit as many gay priests as possible, or adhere to Canon.  https://www.amazon.c...=gateway&sr=8-1  This book was horrifying when I read it a number of years ago.  Still completely valid.


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Posted 27 February 2019 - 0654 AM

I don't know, but the RCC needs to get a handle on this fast.  Either allow boy-bumping for all priests and recruit as many gay priests as possible, or adhere to Canon.  https://www.amazon.c...=gateway&sr=8-1  This book was horrifying when I read it a number of years ago.  Still completely valid.

 

I agree. The RCC has been subjected to infiltration attacks, and that needs to end.


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Posted 27 February 2019 - 0932 AM

 

I don't know, but the RCC needs to get a handle on this fast.  Either allow boy-bumping for all priests and recruit as many gay priests as possible, or adhere to Canon.  https://www.amazon.c...=gateway&sr=8-1  This book was horrifying when I read it a number of years ago.  Still completely valid.

 

I agree. The RCC has been subjected to infiltration attacks, and that needs to end.

 

 

Infiltration by the homo world conspiracy?  :huh:


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Posted 27 February 2019 - 0945 AM

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Posted 27 February 2019 - 1007 AM

https://www.amazon.c...h/dp/0895554496
 


Absorbing and compelling reading from beginning to end, AA -1025 Memoirs of the Communist Infiltration Into the Church is a must read for every Catholic today and for all who would understand just what has happened to the Catholic Church since the 1960's.

In the 1960's, a French nurse, Marie Carre, attended an auto-crash victim who was brought into her hospital in a city she purposely does not name. The man lingered there near death for a few hours and then died. He had no identification on him, but he had a briefcase in which there was a set of quasi-autobiographical notes. She kept these notes and read them, and because of their extraordinary content, decided to publish them.

The result is this little book, AA-1025 Memoirs of the Communist Infiltration Into the Church, a strange and fascinating account of a Communist who purposely entered the Catholic priesthood along with many others, with the intent to subvert and destroy the Church from within. His strange yet fascinating and illuminating set of biographical notes, tells of his commission to enter the priesthood, his experiences in the seminary, and the means and methods he used and promoted to help effect from within the auto-dissolution of the Catholic Church.


Plus that other book Murph linked.
 
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https://www.lifesite...spitals-for-dep
 

September 26, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) — American bishops are sending traditional-minded or conservative priests to psychiatric hospitals for “reprogramming” or as punishment, a priest blogger has alleged.

Father John Zuhlsdorf, also known as Fr. Z, wrote on his popular blog September 25 that the number of priests sent for psychiatric evaluations has increased, and that it’s conservative and traditional priests who are targeted.

“Over the last few months I have been contacted by diocesan priests (and a religious) who were being sent by their bishops (superior) to be ‘evaluated’ at one of these psych clinics for clergy,” he said.

In an “alarmingly similar pattern,” the bishop sends the priest to the psychiatric facility for an evaluation after some “dust up” in the parish, according to Fr. Zuhlsdorf, a priest who resides in the Diocese of Madison.

After two or three weeks, the priest is released, with the clinic assuring him all is fine, but then he’s summoned to see his bishop who tells him the institute has evaluated him “and it is always about the same” with “narcissism and borderline bi-polar,” wrote the priest-blogger.

The priest is then pressured to go back for treatment. He is told it will last “for three months or so,” but when he arrives, his cell phone is taken away, as is his shaving kit, the staff “start pumping him full of drugs and monitoring/controlling email,” and he is told it will be six months, Zuhlsdorf asserted.

“A common characteristic of the priests: they are conservative or traditionalists,” he added.

Zuhlsdorf has a friend who “was forced into one of these places and, when we could talk on the phone, he told me that I wouldn’t believe the number of conservative men there and what they were reading,” he wrote.

“After a few months of ‘treatment,’ I barely recognized his conversation, his focus was shot, and his words were slurred,” Zuhlsdorf noted.

It’s a coordinated effort by the bishops “as a way of stomping out conservative or traditionalists in their dioceses,” he suspects.


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