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#41 MiloMorai

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Posted 30 August 2018 - 1607 PM

How long does a mold last before it has to be replaced?


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Posted 30 August 2018 - 1855 PM

There are some Frog molds from the early 1960s that Revel is still using.

 

Matchbox molds from the 1970s as well.

 

It also depends on how mlds have been treated and any modifications.  For instance the original Airfix 1/72 Canberra mold was changed to produce the B-58   57  kit so that no more RAF Canberra could be produced.


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Posted 31 August 2018 - 0245 AM

That must have been some trick to turn a Canberra into a B-58. :P

 

Doug you meant B-57, right?


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Posted 31 August 2018 - 0254 AM

that is the minus 1


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Posted 31 August 2018 - 0451 AM

Meanwhile   500    pieces for Universal Carrier track.....................

 

http://www.perthmili...b/mtl35240.html

 

I would have thought that someone would have simply made more accurate one piece tracks, or link and length, but 250 parts per track (links and pins)...  no wonder young people are not interested.


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Posted 31 August 2018 - 0454 AM

How long does a mold last before it has to be replaced?

 

Taking carriers:

 

https://www.airfix.c...k-gun-1-76.html

 

First produced 1964 and molds are still in use:  54 years


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Posted 31 August 2018 - 1254 PM

The HRTS (hyper realistic track syndrome) is an unfortunate by-product of modern day scale modelling. Some manufacturers though are taking note and are offering link-and-length in new or revised older kits (Tamiya, Finemolds etc).


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Posted 31 August 2018 - 1331 PM

I believe the old Monogram 1/48 F/A-18 molds from 1983 or so are still being used. 


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Posted 31 August 2018 - 1644 PM

The first kit my dad ever built in the mid-50s was Revells 1/60th scale Vought F7U Cutlass, which was first issued in 1953 and re-released as late as 2010 in a new box.


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Posted 01 September 2018 - 0612 AM

Found this, http://www2.basf.us/...901a5e180004878


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Posted 01 September 2018 - 0712 AM

The first kit my dad ever built in the mid-50s was Revells 1/60th scale Vought F7U Cutlass, which was first issued in 1953 and re-released as late as 2010 in a new box.

it is still available


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Posted 05 September 2018 - 1345 PM

Not sure if it was here....

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Posted 18 September 2018 - 2359 PM

The first kit my dad ever built in the mid-50s was Revells 1/60th scale Vought F7U Cutlass, which was first issued in 1953 and re-released as late as 2010 in a new box.

 

The first kit that I ever came in contact with was a Monogram car kit.  Given to me as a Christmas present.  I think that I was seven or eight, so we are looking at 1963 /1964.  My mother build it for me.

 

I have just taken delivery of the same kit, for memory's sake.


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Posted 29 September 2018 - 2232 PM

One thing is that the typical model building audience now does a lot more with the computers - maybe the companies should look into making/selling gaming merchandise as well (and sci-fi)? I mean I would love to build the Rocinante or Donnager from the Expanse etc.

In fairness, have you seen the amount of kits of new vehicles which have only been released because they show up in World of Tanks or War Thunder?

 

Plus there are the deals with companies like Italeri or Finemolds, to sell a kit so you can build a vehicle as it appears in your in-game garage.


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Posted 01 October 2018 - 0343 AM

 

One thing is that the typical model building audience now does a lot more with the computers - maybe the companies should look into making/selling gaming merchandise as well (and sci-fi)? I mean I would love to build the Rocinante or Donnager from the Expanse etc.

In fairness, have you seen the amount of kits of new vehicles which have only been released because they show up in World of Tanks or War Thunder?

 

Plus there are the deals with companies like Italeri or Finemolds, to sell a kit so you can build a vehicle as it appears in your in-game garage.

 

Yes, in the 'interesting' 1/56 scale, as if 1/24, 1/32, 1/35, 1/48, 1/72, 1/76 and 1/144 were not enough!   If the industry (using the definition: economic activity concerned with the processing of raw materials and manufacture of goods in factories.) that produced 1/56 scale kits had been diverted to 1/35, or even 1/48 (which is a fair scale for war gaming) then perhaps we would have a more representative range of models than at present.

 

I look forward to the time that someone, anyone, produces a European Theatre (yes, Italeri did a Pacific theatre one some time ago) 1/35 M4 Sherman with wading trunks, or even a Churchill with the same.  There are landing craft extant: LCM 3 from both Italeri and Trumpeter, but no tanks to land from them.


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Posted 02 December 2018 - 1823 PM

Photo etched is tricky stuff. Can bend easily. Some are supposed to be bent to a certain way. Too much bending can snap it. Worse part is that stronger cement is needed that dries really fast. Sometimes there isn't a second chance. Which is why I sometimes don't use it. Too risky. Admittetly though, plastic can't match photo etched grill covers.

Level of detail in the plastic itself is more tolerable. Dragan is very detailed, and a bit of a challenge in the first go with one of their kits. But once getting used to, the detail can be appreciable.

Plastic model kits are in full force here. Lots of brands, some I've never seen before, like some Russian or other sort of slavic lookng or czech looking in origin, well some sort of European anyway. Lots of selections as far as afvs go, lots of the tin can mid 30s stuff. Although still no US M2 medium or light tank. Not even M2A4.. Among all the 1930s stuff was a Vickers 6 ton in Nationalist Chinese camo and decals. Tiny little pricy thing but it got added to the collection. 1930s and 1940s Imperial Japanese afvs has also seen an increase in selection, many by Finemolds and Dragon.

 

Photo etch has been around for a while, it actually predates super glue / Cyanoacrylates and modellers used varnish to hold it in place.

 

It is interesting that I now have both the Bronco and Tamiya Archers.  I was given the Bronco kit by a mate who bought it some time ago but once he looked in the box he decided not to waste his time building it.  He is the same age as I and I guess it may have the rest of his mortal life to build.  It has a lot of photoetch, you need to attach bolt heads to the wheels (either photo etch or from a number provided on the sprue.  Individual link tracks of course, but the wheels are not actually accurately spaced.

 

The Tamiya offering has been criticised for being too simplified, but at least it will not take four months to build.


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Posted 02 December 2018 - 2200 PM

Photo etched is tricky stuff. Can bend easily. Some are supposed to be bent to a certain way. Too much bending can snap it. Worse part is that stronger cement is needed that dries really fast. Sometimes there isn't a second chance. Which is why I sometimes don't use it. Too risky. Admittetly though, plastic can't match photo etched grill covers.
Level of detail in the plastic itself is more tolerable. Dragan is very detailed, and a bit of a challenge in the first go with one of their kits. But once getting used to, the detail can be appreciable.
Plastic model kits are in full force here. Lots of brands, some I've never seen before, like some Russian or other sort of slavic lookng or czech looking in origin, well some sort of European anyway. Lots of selections as far as afvs go, lots of the tin can mid 30s stuff. Although still no US M2 medium or light tank. Not even M2A4.. Among all the 1930s stuff was a Vickers 6 ton in Nationalist Chinese camo and decals. Tiny little pricy thing but it got added to the collection. 1930s and 1940s Imperial Japanese afvs has also seen an increase in selection, many by Finemolds and Dragon.

 
Photo etch has been around for a while, it actually predates super glue / Cyanoacrylates and modellers used varnish to hold it in place.
 
It is interesting that I now have both the Bronco and Tamiya Archers.  I was given the Bronco kit by a mate who bought it some time ago but once he looked in the box he decided not to waste his time building it.  He is the same age as I and I guess it may have the rest of his mortal life to build.  It has a lot of photoetch, you need to attach bolt heads to the wheels (either photo etch or from a number provided on the sprue.  Individual link tracks of course, but the wheels are not actually accurately spaced.
 
The Tamiya offering has been criticised for being too simplified, but at least it will not take four months to build.

Some of the kits I had came with individual rivets. Some were etch, some were plastic. But I had no confidence in getting such tiny things to align so cleanly, so never used them.

How was the varnish utlized? Use just like cement and hold until it dries?
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 0502 AM

Was in the local WalMart yesterday and did not see any plastic model kits. To me, this may be the most telling sign of all of the "Crisis of the Plastic Model Industry."


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 0010 AM

It has been about 20 years since I have seen a model kit (except Lego, if that counts) in any department / toy shop.

 

Even the specialised hobby shops now do a lot of their sales on line.

 

So little passing trade.  Not much bought on impulse.  I buy most of my kits on line these days, after reading over reviews and the like.  My best mate buys most of his kits over the counter, without reading reviews.  I think that he gets more unpleasant surprises than I do. 

 

It is interesting that many of the older companies have been able to produce fair kits without photo etch, or at least not much, incorporating those finicky details in the polystyrene without recourse to brass: Airfix, Tamiya, Italeri, come to mind.  When Tamiya decides to do photo etch they do it as an extra detail set, but the original kit does not need that detail set to still be a good model.

 

About varnish as an adhesive for etched brass.  Yes, just like a cement but as there should be some surface tension with the varnish and the two surfaces, you would probably not need to hold in place until it dries, but would be helpful if the surfaces were horizontal at the time.


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 1403 PM

It has been about 20 years since I have seen a model kit (except Lego, if that counts) in any department / toy shop.

 

Our local toy shop, Grooves, has a small, but good selection of plastic model kits (all Airfix IIRC). I haven't noticed a decline over the last ten years.


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