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#1641 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 0341 AM

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#1642 JasonJ

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 0416 AM

The YF23 may prove the basis for a new Japanese Stealth Fighter.

https://defensemaven...VEyTXYJpXUx0ug/

 

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#1643 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 0417 AM

I always thought it was prettier than the F22 anyway. :)


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Posted 11 September 2019 - 0428 AM

It's a great looking airplane and probably be a bit of an honor for to carry over to Japan, aside from points like costs or level of capacity for modernization.


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#1645 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 0438 AM

There were rumours that it may already have proven a basis for other vehicles. There was a claim in 1994 that an aircraft that may, or may not, be Aurora crashed at RAF Boscombe Down. According to something I read elsewhere, it bore some similarities with the YF23.

 

https://www.independ...ps-1272714.html

 

 

So it may be that the the YF23 is not quite as cold was we think. It could be a good basis for new technology, and I hope Japan makes a go of it. But I hope it goes for Tempest also. :D


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#1646 JasonJ

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 0451 AM

There are probably some advantages for going with Tempest. One being that surely that any jointly developed Tempest would be designed to accommodate the new AAM to be jointly developed by the UK and Japan.

 

But it can be hard to turn down offers from the US for many other reasons such as the USN providing much of the security in the region and working so closely with the JMSDF for so long. 2018 saw a nice year of RN activity here but 2019 has been dry :ninja:

 

Tough decisions either way.


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Posted 11 September 2019 - 0457 AM

The recent problems in the Gulf have shown up in stark relief how many ships we have available. The Chinese have also threatnened that the Transit of the Queen Elizabeth through the South China sea would be regarded as a hostile act.

https://www.upi.com/.../9421568131961/

I guess we shall remember that next time they sail through the English Channel. :D


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Posted 11 September 2019 - 0506 AM

The recent problems in the Gulf have shown up in stark relief how many ships we have available. The Chinese have also threatnened that the Transit of the Queen Elizabeth through the South China sea would be regarded as a hostile act.

https://www.upi.com/.../9421568131961/

I guess we shall remember that next time they sail through the English Channel. :D

 

If QE makes it out to the SCS to join a US carrier, I would expect the JMSDF to send either JS Izumo or JS Kaga to join the voyage. WOuld make a nice photo is anything else :)


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#1649 Roman Alymov

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 0640 AM

Interview with Su-57 test pilot in three  parts, in Russian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tEo3euof1U


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Posted 11 September 2019 - 0651 AM

And demonstration flight video 


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Posted 11 September 2019 - 0653 AM

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#1652 glenn239

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 0732 AM

 

The recent problems in the Gulf have shown up in stark relief how many ships we have available. The Chinese have also threatnened that the Transit of the Queen Elizabeth through the South China sea would be regarded as a hostile act.

https://www.upi.com/.../9421568131961/

I guess we shall remember that next time they sail through the English Channel. :D

 

If QE makes it out to the SCS to join a US carrier, I would expect the JMSDF to send either JS Izumo or JS Kaga to join the voyage. WOuld make a nice photo is anything else :)

 

 

Is it within Japan's national interests to do that?  


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Posted 11 September 2019 - 0823 AM

The YF23 may prove the basis for a new Japanese Stealth Fighter.
https://defensemaven...VEyTXYJpXUx0ug/


It may, but that decision will depend on Northrop accepting a subordinate partnership role in what will be a Japanese led undertaking.
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#1654 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 0828 AM

There arent enough defence dollars to say no these days. its not like in the 1980's when they were in a position to dictate terms.

 

Anyway, be interesting to see what happens. I always though the YF23 was an interesting technology avenue. I always thought the USAF picked the wrong fighter.


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Posted 11 September 2019 - 0828 AM

There were rumours that it may already have proven a basis for other vehicles. There was a claim in 1994 that an aircraft that may, or may not, be Aurora crashed at RAF Boscombe Down. According to something I read elsewhere, it bore some similarities with the YF23.
 
https://www.independ...ps-1272714.html
 
 
So it may be that the the YF23 is not quite as cold was we think. It could be a good basis for new technology, and I hope Japan makes a go of it. But I hope it goes for Tempest also. :D


I am not sure Washington shares that hope :)
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Posted 11 September 2019 - 0841 AM

There arent enough defence dollars to say no these days. its not like in the 1980's when they were in a position to dictate terms.
 
Anyway, be interesting to see what happens. I always though the YF23 was an interesting technology avenue. I always thought the USAF picked the wrong fighter.


I believe it was Rogoway at The Drive who, with barely concealed eagerness, touted an F22 upgrade partnership with Japan for the express purpose of extending and upgrading the platform's utility to the USAF "on Japan's dime."

The 1980s and Japan's inability to say no to Washington then aside, if this Rogoway is any indication, it is going to have to.
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Posted 11 September 2019 - 1111 AM

The YF23 may prove the basis for a new Japanese Stealth Fighter.

https://defensemaven...VEyTXYJpXUx0ug/

Not surprising. I always considered the -23 to be more of a bomber than a fighter. Back in the early '90s I wondered how much it would have cost to develop and build a modified version to replace the F-111.


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Posted 11 September 2019 - 1512 PM

 

 

The recent problems in the Gulf have shown up in stark relief how many ships we have available. The Chinese have also threatnened that the Transit of the Queen Elizabeth through the South China sea would be regarded as a hostile act.

https://www.upi.com/.../9421568131961/

I guess we shall remember that next time they sail through the English Channel. :D

 

If QE makes it out to the SCS to join a US carrier, I would expect the JMSDF to send either JS Izumo or JS Kaga to join the voyage. WOuld make a nice photo is anything else :)

 

 

Is it within Japan's national interests to do that?  

 

 

If Japan and Japanese decide to do so, reciprocity should be forthcoming from the RN and USN regarding Japanese territorial disputes elsewhere. Common courtesy would demand no less.


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#1659 glenn239

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 1600 PM

Seems to me like that between the Kuriles, Senkakus, and Taiwan, (which are the areas I think you might be referring to), that Taiwan is by far the most dangerous and likely to lead to war.  US support would be obliged were China to take the unoccupied islands, and no US government will commit itself to a war against Russia to retake the Kuriles by force.  So if Japan were to do this, they might be taking on a lot of risk for little gain. 

 

Frankly such a deal looks better for Taiwan than Japan.  Because Japanese prestige would be engaged, but British involvement, not being Asian, would be purely cosmetic - if the US pulls back the British won't play either, and if the US is in the British don't matter.  The US is already committed to Taiwan, so Japan would gain more by keeping its options open, maybe supporting the US in some cases, maybe not.  Depending on Japan's needs at the time.


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Posted 11 September 2019 - 1601 PM

I don't necessarily disagree, but must ask that we steer back on topic.


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