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#1 DADI

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Posted 15 November 2014 - 1155 AM

'Yankee, go home!': Moment US sailors were attacked by angry mob of Turkish nationalists who pelted them with rocks and put white bags on their heads in Istanbul

 

 

The Sultan is at it..

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Posted 15 November 2014 - 1225 PM

And if you think the guy is lacking a single symptom...

 

"Erdogan says Muslims, not Columbus, discovered Americas"

"Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Saturday that the Americas were discovered by Muslims in the 12th century, nearly three centuries before Christopher Columbus set foot there.

"Contacts between Latin America and Islam date back to the 12th century. Muslims discovered America in 1178, not Christopher Columbus," the conservative president said in a televised speech during an Istanbul summit of Muslim leaders from Latin America.

 

http://www.afp.com/e...overed-americas

 

If this sounds funny..

Let me describe how it goes:

It means, for any Muslim, one thing: America is ours - NOT yours!

In a few monthes, little children from Islamabad to Tripoly will learn that this is the truth.


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Posted 15 November 2014 - 1249 PM

Damn, you beat me to it :)


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Posted 15 November 2014 - 1532 PM

And if you think the guy is lacking a single symptom...

 

"Erdogan says Muslims, not Columbus, discovered Americas"

"Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Saturday that the Americas were discovered by Muslims in the 12th century, nearly three centuries before Christopher Columbus set foot there.

"Contacts between Latin America and Islam date back to the 12th century. Muslims discovered America in 1178, not Christopher Columbus," the conservative president said in a televised speech during an Istanbul summit of Muslim leaders from Latin America.

 

http://www.afp.com/e...overed-americas

 

If this sounds funny..

Let me describe how it goes:

It means, for any Muslim, one thing: America is ours - NOT yours!

In a few monthes, little children from Islamabad to Tripoly will learn that this is the truth.

 

Shouldn't you mean Islamabad to Agadir?

Oh and...'conservative' president it says...I wonder what they're trying to say by that.


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Posted 15 November 2014 - 1628 PM

That he's a conservative?


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Posted 15 November 2014 - 1638 PM

That he believes in the conservation of species.


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Posted 15 November 2014 - 1738 PM

The Vikings and Irish priests beat them

 

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Erik_the_Red

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan


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Posted 15 November 2014 - 1806 PM

I believe the first were the Indians from Siberia.


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Posted 15 November 2014 - 1901 PM

Indians running from the Gulag ?


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Posted 15 November 2014 - 2213 PM

Actually it was the welsh. They taught the natives to sing.

It's why they all chant today

They can't remember the welsh words to the catchy tunes lol

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Posted 15 November 2014 - 2305 PM

The Vikings and Irish priests beat them
 
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Erik_the_Red
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan


The vikings were in Istanbul before the Turks.
Called Varangians but essentially Scandinavians in today's turkey. Maybe they should put on their horned helmets and go pillage the area again.
Erdogan. What a shmuck. But the people elect him.
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Posted 16 November 2014 - 0403 AM

Regarding the Ottoman Tourists coming the the states so long ago - maybe, the Ottomans had some good sailors,

personally I go with  the Irish monks, the Vikings, the Chinese - how the locals handled the tourists is another thing

Without doubt it will be claimed for Islam.

 

Regarding the bagging of USN guys - there are two things to this.

seems sometime back US forces bagged some Turkish military in Iraq during an operation....I know no details

this was seen as insulting Turkish honour etc

 

second thing is there has been an increase in a combination of nationalism and Islamism - this yout group that were involved are getting a reputation it seems - sort of local National Front


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Posted 16 November 2014 - 1034 AM

NATO member.


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Posted 16 November 2014 - 1318 PM

Yep

 

Turkish honour way more important

not to mention that doing Gods work is paramount


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Posted 17 November 2014 - 0400 AM

I gotta say that Rojava looks better and better every day.


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Posted 17 November 2014 - 0418 AM

 

The Vikings and Irish priests beat them
 
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Erik_the_Red
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan


The vikings were in Istanbul before the Turks.
Called Varangians but essentially Scandinavians in today's turkey. Maybe they should put on their horned helmets and go pillage the area again.
Erdogan. What a shmuck. But the people elect him.

 

Hm, from your link:

"In the latter part of the tenth century, the Byzantine emperor Basil II recruited a number of Varangians, reputedly Norse- men from Russia, as a personal bodyguard. The term Varangian comes from the Norse var, meaning “pledge,” and denotes one of band of men who pledged themselves to work together for profit. Usually this meant in trade, but the oath of loyalty to each other certainly had more than commercial meaning, for they were bound to fight for each other’s safety as members of merchant band. The term also refers to men who hired themselves into the service of an overlord for a set period of time, as the Norsemen did for the lords of Novgorod and Kiev in Russia. Thus, the term Varangian does not necessarily mean “Viking” or “Scandinavian,” although most of them were from that part of the world. Generally, however, it refers to the Scandinavian Russian Empire led by the city states of Kiev and Novgorod."

 

In Russian word "Varyag" refers to people coming to what is now Russia\Ukraine from Scandinavia (or Baltic Slaves territories, it is not clear for today’s history as far as I understand). Russian presence around Constantinople was significant anyway  -with first successful attempt to take the city on about 907AC (resulting in beneficial trade agreement). But it is not correct to call Kiev and Novgorod "city states"  - Kiev newer was, and Novgorod was later....


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Posted 17 November 2014 - 0454 AM

Anyway Turks are relatively late-comers in what is now Turkey (like Crimean Tatars in Crimea – nearly the same timeframe) and are not the first Muslims in the region. By the way it was very interesting BBC documentary on Romea people in Turkey  -direct descendants from pre-Turkish Byzantine Greek population somehow survived up till now. Turkish Empire was sort of tolerant to minorities (at least more tolerant them some European empires)


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Posted 17 November 2014 - 0739 AM

Im not quite sure the Armenians would agree with you.

As well as Greeks, Serbs etc. – lots of people suffered from Turks over history. But reference point is important here: if we compare it not with today’s “human rights” (still far from perfect, but slaughtering cities and countries is not common practice now) but with middle ages in Europe with religious wars etc. – we may see it differently. At least Armenians in Turkey survived through Empire nearly up to national state Turkey formed, while Arabs in Spain gone centuries ago as far as I understand.

Regarding Armenian settlers, lots of Armenians moved to South of Russia and what is now Ukraine – I was born in Rostov-on-Don where up to quarter of population are ethnic Armenians once fled from different parts of Turkey , including Crimea.


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Posted 17 November 2014 - 0744 AM

Im not quite sure the Armenians would agree with you.

https://en.wikipedia...menian_genocide

 

Apparently there was a large refugee community of them in Palestine in the 1920s. No sure if they ever relocated or settled there.

 

There are two small Armenian Communities in Israel - Best known is the Armenian Quarter in the Old City of Jerusalem.

I believe the first known Church is there - St. Marcus IIRC.. 


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Posted 17 November 2014 - 0859 AM

 

Bear in mind that the Moors in Spain were there as a result of Spain being invaded in the 7th Century. So one might disagree with any form of ethnic cleansing, but then ultimately they can be regarded as distinctly uninvited in the first place. Particularly in a Catholic nation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors

it makes the context different. Best I can tell, the Armenians were there long before the Ottoman Empire even existed.

https://en.wikipedia...nians_in_Turkey

 

I would agree the Ottomans seem to have had  a relatively good record up to WW1, simply because without it the Empire could hardly have held together. But not perfect I think we would agree.

 

Almost any nation on Earth occupy current place after invading it at some stage of history, so this explanation could be widely applied. But yes, Armenians are one of the most ancient and settled nations, they were there long before not only Turks but even Greeeks and Romans. Still, keeping poor fate of Armenians in Turkey in mind, there is completely opposite example of large group (2000 to 8000, according to different sources) of Don Cossacks, named “Nekrasovtsy” after their initial leader,  who fled with their families to Turkish Empire after failed uprising against Tsar in 1708 – to return back to Russia (SU) only in 1962, with about 1500 people (another ~200 went to US). About 7000 returned earlier in 1950th from other places previously controlled by Turkish empire. They kept their orthodox Christianity and traditions and were not oppressed by Turks despite of numerous wars between Russia and Turkey over this centuries.


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