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#681 BansheeOne

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 0340 AM

Second death in week as Xi Jinping demands end to Hong Kong violence

 

Victim said to have been hit by brick as protesters and pro-Beijing residents clashed

 

Lily Kuo in Hong Kong and Emma Graham-Harrison in London

 

Thu 14 Nov 2019 18.57 GMT  

Last modified on Fri 15 Nov 2019 17.15 GMT

 

A second man has died in the space of a week from injuries sustained in a protest-related clash in Hong Kong. The death came after China’s president, Xi Jinping, issued his harshest warning yet to the city, saying it urgently needed to “end violence and restore order”.

 

A 70-year-old cleaner who is thought to have been hit by a brick during a clash between protesters and pro-Beijing residents died late on Thursday, hospital officials said.

 

His death came less than a week after a student protester who had fallen from a building died from his injuries. Since then, the level of violence at the proteststhat began five months ago has reached new heights.

 

On Monday police shot a 21-year-old student in the stomach at close range and a 57-year old man was set on fire while arguing with demonstrators. A 15-year-old boy is in a critical condition in hospital after he was hit on the head with a teargas canister on Wednesday.

 

Xi, speaking at a summit in Brazil on Thursday, said “persistent radical and violent crimes” had “seriously trampled on the rule of law and social order” of Hong Kong, the state news agency Xinhua reported.

 

The president pledged Beijing’s support for Hong Kong’s police, its judiciary in punishing “violent criminals”, and its chief executive, Carrie Lam. “Stopping the violence and restoring order is Hong Kong’s most urgent task at present,” he said.

 

As he delivered his remarks, demonstrators in Hong Kong were burning a Chinese flag, blocking roads and throwing petrol bombs at riot police, who responded with teargas, on a fourth consecutive weekday of unrest.

 

Student protesters barricaded themselves inside universities, in some cases building makeshift walls across roads and stockpiling bows and arrows, molotov cocktails, catapults and other homemade weapons.

 

Students from Europe, mainland China and Taiwan were leaving the city as several universities cancelled classes for the rest of the semester. The education bureau has suspended all classes in primary and secondary schools from Friday to Sunday.

 

Police described the Chinese University of Hong Kong as a “weapons factory and an arsenal”. Ch Supt Tse Chun-chung told a briefing that the campus protests were “another step closer to terrorism”.

 

[...]

 

https://www.theguard...end-to-violence

 

Hong Kong protests: China condemns 'appalling' attack on official in UK

 
15 November 2019
 

China has condemned what it called an "appalling attack" by protesters on Hong Kong's justice secretary in London on Thursday evening.

 

Teresa Cheng fell and was treated for an arm injury in hospital after being jostled by about 30 supporters of Hong Kong's pro-democracy movement.

 

Chinese official Geng Shuang said some in the UK "supported violent acts... to create chaos" in its former colony.

 

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What happened to Teresa Cheng?

 

The justice secretary had been in Camden, north London, to promote Hong Kong as a dispute resolution and deal-making hub.

 

Video showed her walking towards a lecture at the Chartered Institute of Arbitrators (CIArb) when she was surrounded by a group of protesters.

 

Some held signs and shouted "murderer" and in the melee, Ms Cheng fell to the ground.

 

London's Metropolitan Police said they were investigating an allegation of assault and no arrests had yet been made.

 

"A woman was taken to hospital by London Ambulance Service suffering an injury to her arm," a statement said.

 

In a statement, CIArb said Ms Cheng had been "assaulted by a crowd".

 

Tom Tugendhat, chair of parliament's foreign affairs committee, condemned the behaviour of the protesters.

 

Ministers "visiting the UK should be able to go about their business free from abuse and assault. This is not right", he tweeted.

 

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https://www.bbc.com/...-china-50433799

 

Hong Kong Protests Enter New, More Violent Phase

 
By William Gallo
November 15, 2019 12:27 PM
 

HONG KONG - Hong Kong’s protests may be smaller these days, buy they're more frequent, more violent, and more unpredictable. The new phase was precipitated by the death of a young demonstrator as the semi-autonomous Chinese territory entered its 22 week of pro-democracy protests.

 

But five months in, Hong Kong’s leaders still refuse to give in to the protesters' political demands.

 

"I'm making the statement clear and loud here, that will not happen," Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam said at a news conference.

 

Police these days crack down faster and firmer than ever. Following the first death of a student protester last week, this week has seen an increase in hardcore protesters destroying public infrastructure.

 

In some neighborhoods, the fight between police and protesters now resembles a battle for territory. The more aggressive tactics could be an attempt to reclaim international attention, says activist Edward Yiu.

 

“For such a small city trying to fight against an authoritarian regime, we need international support… which probably can explain why in the past four days protesters in Hong Kong insist to have a stronger say and would like to have more severe actions to as to arouse international concern,” said Yiu.

 

Even with the more aggressive tactics, polls suggest the protesters still have widespread public support. But the violence isn’t without critics.

 

“Demanding five things or we will burn down your railway stations on a regular basis is not going to end happily anywhere in the world," said Steve Vickers, the former head of the Royal Hong Kong Police Criminal Intelligence Bureau. “This movement has come off the rails and is really out of control. And the violent element, the sharp end of it, is really destroying the message that the rest of them had established through large demonstrations, which were peaceful,” he added.

 

But many argue peaceful protests aren’t working. And with China’s authoritarian Communist Party closing in, many protesters have decided they won’t give in without a fight.

 

The problem is only made worse by Hong Kong’s inaction, says former lawmaker Emily Lau.

 

“We are calling on everybody to calm down, to dial down, to de-escalate. But to do that, the Hong Kong government has to give something. You cannot just tell them - you protesters, go home, we are not going to give you anything. Crazy! Look at the way things are! They are not going to react!” said Lau.

 

Meanwhile, both sides seem to be turning more violent, with no solution in sight.

 

https://www.voanews....e-violent-phase


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#682 Jeff

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 0848 AM

 

 

 


Dumb question, but do masks prevent facial recognition software from identiying people if it's using wavelengths outside the visible spectrum?

 


Yes.
Unless they're microwaving people...

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Is joke, no?


Even high contrast face paint with radical non symmetrical angles will generally foil facial recognition. There are entire makeup and hair styles designed to foil facial rec, which relies largely on visible spectrum optics.

 

 

Facial dazzle camouflage?

 

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Posted Yesterday, 06:06 AM

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Hong Kong police officer shot with arrow during university siege


By Ben Westcott and Jo Shelley, CNN

Updated 1043 GMT (1843 HKT) November 17, 2019

 

Hong Kong (CNN) - A Hong Kong police officer was shot with an arrow on Sunday during the siege of a fortified central university campus, a new escalation after nearly six months of demonstrations in the fiercely divided city.

 
Hundreds of protesters with bricks, petrol bombs and makeshift barricades have held off riot police on roads surrounding the campus in the city's Hung Hom district, just across Victoria Harbor from Hong Kong Island, for hours.
 
The authorities have responded with tear gas and water cannons in skirmishes that have stretched from early in the morning until well into the evening.
 
As violence has escalated in recent days, protesters have begun using bows and arrows against the police, and authorities said a media liaison officer was hit in the leg with an arrow during a skirmish Sunday afternoon.
 
In a fiercely worded statement, the police labeled the group holding the university "rioters," a loaded term in Hong Kong's protests which carries a heavy prison sentence if convicted.
 
The man who was shot with an arrow is conscious and has been sent to hospital for treatment, according to the police statement.
 
Hong Kong's Polytechnic University is just one of a number of university campuses being used in the past week as a rallying point for Hong Kong's protest movement.
 
But unlike other campuses such as the Chinese University of Hong Kong, the Polytechnic University sits in the center of the city, close to a number of major roads including a cross harbor tunnel.
 
In the past week, protesters have blocked these roads, severely disrupting the city's public transport system.
 
Polytechnic University is also less than 164 feet (50 meters) from a Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) base. So far there has been no sign that the country's military will be used to crack down on protesters.
 
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On Saturday night police attempted to clear the roads around Polytechnic University but were forced to back down after protesters started fires on the street and threw petrol bombs.
 
"They showed total disregard for the safety of everyone at scene," police said in a statement Sunday, confirming they tried to disperse the group using tear gas.
 
A 23-year-old protester and Polytechnic University alumni told CNN Sunday that they didn't have a plan and were just waiting to see how the police would react. "If we don't come out, no one will come out and protect our freedoms. Polytechnic University is my home," he said.
 
Protesters on Sunday were using catapults to launch bricks and other hard objects at police lines from the university's balconies. Their hold on the high ground made it difficult for police vehicles to advance under a hail of bricks and petrol bombs.
 
"Such attacks pose a grave threat to the safety of police officers, reporters and first aiders at the scene," said police in a statement, accusing protesters of firing petrol bombs and metal balls at their lines.
 
On Sunday the government announced that all schools would be shut again on Monday as protests were expected to continue across the city.
 
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https://edition.cnn....-hnk/index.html


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Posted Yesterday, 11:55 PM

A few dozen PLA HK garrison soldiers in army exercise shorts and shirts cleared away by hand some road blocks that were made by the protesters.
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https://www.google.c...ring-roadblocks
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Posted Today, 02:42 AM

Indians!

 

Hong Kong police officer shot with arrow during university siege


By Ben Westcott and Jo Shelley, CNN

Updated 1043 GMT (1843 HKT) November 17, 2019

 

Hong Kong (CNN) - A Hong Kong police officer was shot with an arrow on Sunday during the siege of a fortified central university campus, a new escalation after nearly six months of demonstrations in the fiercely divided city.

 
Hundreds of protesters with bricks, petrol bombs and makeshift barricades have held off riot police on roads surrounding the campus in the city's Hung Hom district, just across Victoria Harbor from Hong Kong Island, for hours.
 
The authorities have responded with tear gas and water cannons in skirmishes that have stretched from early in the morning until well into the evening.
 
As violence has escalated in recent days, protesters have begun using bows and arrows against the police, and authorities said a media liaison officer was hit in the leg with an arrow during a skirmish Sunday afternoon.
 
In a fiercely worded statement, the police labeled the group holding the university "rioters," a loaded term in Hong Kong's protests which carries a heavy prison sentence if convicted.
 
The man who was shot with an arrow is conscious and has been sent to hospital for treatment, according to the police statement.
 
Hong Kong's Polytechnic University is just one of a number of university campuses being used in the past week as a rallying point for Hong Kong's protest movement.
 
But unlike other campuses such as the Chinese University of Hong Kong, the Polytechnic University sits in the center of the city, close to a number of major roads including a cross harbor tunnel.
 
In the past week, protesters have blocked these roads, severely disrupting the city's public transport system.
 
Polytechnic University is also less than 164 feet (50 meters) from a Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) base. So far there has been no sign that the country's military will be used to crack down on protesters.
 
[...]
 
On Saturday night police attempted to clear the roads around Polytechnic University but were forced to back down after protesters started fires on the street and threw petrol bombs.
 
"They showed total disregard for the safety of everyone at scene," police said in a statement Sunday, confirming they tried to disperse the group using tear gas.
 
A 23-year-old protester and Polytechnic University alumni told CNN Sunday that they didn't have a plan and were just waiting to see how the police would react. "If we don't come out, no one will come out and protect our freedoms. Polytechnic University is my home," he said.
 
Protesters on Sunday were using catapults to launch bricks and other hard objects at police lines from the university's balconies. Their hold on the high ground made it difficult for police vehicles to advance under a hail of bricks and petrol bombs.
 
"Such attacks pose a grave threat to the safety of police officers, reporters and first aiders at the scene," said police in a statement, accusing protesters of firing petrol bombs and metal balls at their lines.
 
On Sunday the government announced that all schools would be shut again on Monday as protests were expected to continue across the city.
 
[...]

 

https://edition.cnn....-hnk/index.html

 

Nah, they have been watching Henry V innit. :D

 

Well to mix metaphors, good certainly came from the Alamo, but notably little for those therein housed....


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Posted Today, 03:58 AM

Hong Kong's future, for the next few years at least, will be dominated by violence and brutal repression. I don't see how the current situation can end in any other way. Had China accepted Carrie Lam's resignation in June, maybe this all could have been avoided. But it's far too late now.


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Posted Today, 04:03 AM

The most depressing thing about all this (other than the sheer inevitability of it) is that when China eventually DOES go in and brutally repress these protestors, we will do absolutely nothing about it. Id like to think we would instantly slap 50 percent tariffs on Chinese goods, including even sanctions. But we wont, because we are lazy, greedy, and to be honest, maybe just a little afraid of the new China and what it will do when we finally stand up to it.

 

We have an entire generation of politicians ready to repeat all the mistakes of the 1930's, for pretty much the same reasons. Although I suppose looking at it another way, if we didnt stand up to them over Tiananmen square, its probably getting rather late in the day now.


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Posted Today, 05:18 AM

The most depressing thing about all this (other than the sheer inevitability of it) is that when China eventually DOES go in and brutally repress these protestors, we will do absolutely nothing about it. Id like to think we would instantly slap 50 percent tariffs on Chinese goods, including even sanctions. But we wont, because we are lazy, greedy, and to be honest, maybe just a little afraid of the new China and what it will do when we finally stand up to it.

 

We have an entire generation of politicians ready to repeat all the mistakes of the 1930's, for pretty much the same reasons. Although I suppose looking at it another way, if we didnt stand up to them over Tiananmen square, its probably getting rather late in the day now.

Perhaps an opportunity for those nations who are the major importers of Chinese goods to impose tariffs? A privately organized, world wide Bible importation act as secularist governments are very afraid of Jesus. Google "Smuggling bibles into China."


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Posted Today, 05:38 AM

The Chinese are afraid of anything that proposes liberal freedoms.

 

You know, Ive nothing against the Chinese, they seem genuinely nice people. But this toleration of authoritarianism, unless we nip it in the bud and start demonstrating our intolerance of it, its going to have unfortunate consequences for us later. They are already trying to export it to Africa, fortunately the canny Africans thus far seem willing to take their money and laugh behind their back.

 

I dread the day when a western politician pipes up and says the solution to ALL our problems is to be a lot more like the PRC. And you know its coming.


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Posted Today, 05:53 AM

There never seems to be a good moment to start a trade war with China, somehow.


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Posted Today, 08:40 AM

Aren't trade wars a Trump thing?


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Posted Today, 09:05 AM

Arent killing your own populations a Communist thing? So why underwrite it?


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Posted 22 minutes ago

Some questions about the future growth of the Chinese economy.

https://www.theguard...t-china-economy


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