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#21 rmgill

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 1252 PM

Hire Penn and Teller to assist in the magic.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 1350 PM

We need to get The Chieftain into a Type 95 Ha-Go, preferably one that has both the gun and the turret machinegun intact and in place. :D


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Posted 12 July 2018 - 1528 PM

Hire Penn and Teller to assist in the magic.
 

 

It is not that cramped inside according to the Russians who were repairing one recently. Better than Pz-38/38 in some aspects.


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Posted 13 July 2018 - 1724 PM

Given that they are only trying to stuff one man in the turret, I don’t think that’s a huge achievement...
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Posted 14 July 2018 - 0430 AM

Hire Penn and Teller to assist in the magic.

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you mean

 

Rebo & Zooty

 

http://babylon5.wiki...ki/Rebo_&_Zooty

 

B5_Day_of_the_Dead_1.jpg

 

 

 


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Posted 14 July 2018 - 0851 AM

 

Where did that drawing come from? I've never seen any actual plans of the proposed AC4 before.

 

 

National Australian Archives. Not the original drawings as far as I know, although they might have them too. It's a little sort of A5 sized booklet mostly AC3 some AC1 and that weird looking hull until you notice the Tank AC Mark IV in the corner, then it makes sense.

 

I'll have to figure out how to get a copy.  I've been rather fascinated by the Sentinel ever since I saw the one at Bovington.  I keep hoping someone is out there researching a book; we got one on the Ram (another one of my weird interests) after all!


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Posted 14 July 2018 - 1013 AM

 

 

Where did that drawing come from? I've never seen any actual plans of the proposed AC4 before.

 

 

National Australian Archives. Not the original drawings as far as I know, although they might have them too. It's a little sort of A5 sized booklet mostly AC3 some AC1 and that weird looking hull until you notice the Tank AC Mark IV in the corner, then it makes sense.

 

I'll have to figure out how to get a copy.  I've been rather fascinated by the Sentinel ever since I saw the one at Bovington.  I keep hoping someone is out there researching a book; we got one on the Ram (another one of my weird interests) after all!

 

 

I was in contact for a while with a bloke who wrote a book on the Australian Cruisers, I wanted to pick his brain over some of the details because what was publicly available at the time didn't make a whole lot of sense, but the publisher never did anything with it, I'm not sure what happened. The former, the resolution is a little low, 'cos there is more detail on the original but is free, so can't complain.


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Posted 14 July 2018 - 1554 PM

 

 

 

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Oh dear, really Lindy? "It is clearly wider than the actual thing so they were lying"? 

 

Admittedly, it's only the earlier 64" turret ring version, but it is an AC4 hull and the turret ring does extend over the sides of the hull by means of the air louvres.

 

attachicon.gifac4_64in_hull.jpg

 

Where did that drawing come from? I've never seen any actual plans of the proposed AC4 before.

 

 

Plans, armoured fighting vehicles at a guess.

 

https://recordsearch...e.aspx?B=382893

 

derp I see the last reply already posted it.


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 1434 PM

 

 

 

Where did that drawing come from? I've never seen any actual plans of the proposed AC4 before.

 

 

National Australian Archives. Not the original drawings as far as I know, although they might have them too. It's a little sort of A5 sized booklet mostly AC3 some AC1 and that weird looking hull until you notice the Tank AC Mark IV in the corner, then it makes sense.

 

I'll have to figure out how to get a copy.  I've been rather fascinated by the Sentinel ever since I saw the one at Bovington.  I keep hoping someone is out there researching a book; we got one on the Ram (another one of my weird interests) after all!

 

 

I was in contact for a while with a bloke who wrote a book on the Australian Cruisers, I wanted to pick his brain over some of the details because what was publicly available at the time didn't make a whole lot of sense, but the publisher never did anything with it, I'm not sure what happened. The former, the resolution is a little low, 'cos there is more detail on the original but is free, so can't complain.

 

 fantastic set of drawings !  


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Posted 16 July 2018 - 2343 PM

Page 36 shows spaces on each side of the turret armour, possible more on page 86. That mystery slot in the turret armour might have something to do with the Water cooled MG's?


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Posted 17 July 2018 - 0024 AM

... might have something to do with the Water cooled MG's?

 

Only in the sense that it provides ventilation next to the coax and the loader. Keep in mind that that is a Mark 3 and the Mark 1 is different, the Mark 3 also uses that air vent as a means to dump steam from the coax cooling system. On the Mark 1 the cooling water tank is located further to the rear and I believe the steam vent is out the right rear corner air vent, which might have resulted in steam getting drawn back into the turret and could be the reason it was subsequently changed to something that actually resembles the setup in the Matilda.


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Posted 17 July 2018 - 1945 PM

 

 

 

 

Where did that drawing come from? I've never seen any actual plans of the proposed AC4 before.

 

 

National Australian Archives. Not the original drawings as far as I know, although they might have them too. It's a little sort of A5 sized booklet mostly AC3 some AC1 and that weird looking hull until you notice the Tank AC Mark IV in the corner, then it makes sense.

 

I'll have to figure out how to get a copy.  I've been rather fascinated by the Sentinel ever since I saw the one at Bovington.  I keep hoping someone is out there researching a book; we got one on the Ram (another one of my weird interests) after all!

 

 

I was in contact for a while with a bloke who wrote a book on the Australian Cruisers, I wanted to pick his brain over some of the details because what was publicly available at the time didn't make a whole lot of sense, but the publisher never did anything with it, I'm not sure what happened. The former, the resolution is a little low, 'cos there is more detail on the original but is free, so can't complain.

 

 fantastic set of drawings !  

 

That is a treasure trove!


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Posted 18 July 2018 - 0224 AM

 

 

 fantastic set of drawings !  

 

That is a treasure trove!

 

 

It's good isn't it? :wub:

 

The NAA is slowly digitising their files, well it looks like most of the printed material they have at least. It's a bit hit and miss as to what they have but the ones with drawings are my favourite kind. Like AE1 and 2 general arrangement, an excessively precise 4.724 inch gun,  an identification list for a 3.7 inch mounting, some aircraft engines Opel and a couple of Fiats 220hp and 650hp, and an apparently mad project for a Centurion with a sawn off 105mm for jungle use  :blink: I suppose it would be alright for use with canister? A rifle mortar? That one looks like it would hurt. The Jefferies robot tank, an Aussie Goliath! And repeated suggestions to bomb the volcano at Rabaul with soap to cause an eruption  :huh: was Wile E. Coyote around in the '40s? I know I can just google that, but I fear the answer might be no.


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Posted 19 July 2018 - 0813 AM

The 105 mm cneturion: short barrel makes a lot of sense. Did they plan to use just the original gun with shortened barrel or a specially designed one ? I do not see an advantage over using the 165 mm gun from the AVRE..


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Posted 19 July 2018 - 0814 AM

or using a clone form the German SIG 33, could use HEAT, HE and with a bit of fiddling i guess canister...


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Posted 19 July 2018 - 0903 AM

The 105 mm cneturion: short barrel makes a lot of sense. Did they plan to use just the original gun with shortened barrel or a specially designed one ? I do not see an advantage over using the 165 mm gun from the AVRE..

 

Just a regular 105mm L7 tank gun, or 20pdr, with the end of the barrel hacked off and a counter weight to keep it all balanced.

 


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Posted 19 July 2018 - 1003 AM

 

 

The NAA is slowly digitising their files, well it looks like most of the printed material they have at least. It's a bit hit and miss as to what they have but the ones with drawings are my favourite kind. Like AE1 and 2 general arrangement, an excessively precise 4.724 inch gun,  an identification list for a 3.7 inch mounting, some aircraft engines Opel and a couple of Fiats 220hp and 650hp, and an apparently mad project for a Centurion with a sawn off 105mm for jungle use  :blink: I suppose it would be alright for use with canister? A rifle mortar? That one looks like it would hurt. The Jefferies robot tank, an Aussie Goliath! And repeated suggestions to bomb the volcano at Rabaul with soap to cause an eruption  :huh: was Wile E. Coyote around in the '40s? I know I can just google that, but I fear the answer might be no.

 

 

Fast and Furry-ous has been released in late '49, so barely in the forties.

 

https://en.wikipedia...t_and_Furry-ous

 

 

 

I guess they were thinking with the short barreled Caenturion to use it a s a howitzer. An armoured assault gun in purpose.


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Posted 31 July 2018 - 2213 PM

I was at APG twice and will forever regret not realizing that the Elefant was sitting nearby on a train car. :( The fact that a picture I took of an M60A3's gunner's sight housing was used as an illustration in part 2 makes up for it a bit though. ;)
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Posted 01 August 2018 - 0028 AM

I'm guessing that the Chieftain's comments about the Covenanter are in response to the books put out by P M Knight.  


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