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#1 Chris Werb

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 1355 PM

The Russians aren't the only ones making ground launched guided rockets/missiles into air launched standoff weapons:

 

http://www.thedrive....r=recirculation


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 0546 AM

State run companies?  Sound a bit chinese communist to me rather than western capitalism.

 

Anyway, didn't the Germans do this with the V-1 some 75 years ago?

 

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 0704 AM

 
Anyway, didn't the Germans do this with the V-1 some 75 years ago?
 
v-1d_350.jpg

Cruise missile, not ballistic missile.
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#4 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 0721 AM

There was Skybolt, which is nigh on 60 years ago now.

 


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 1142 AM

Then there was this one off experiment:


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Posted 14 June 2018 - 0416 AM

 

 
Anyway, didn't the Germans do this with the V-1 some 75 years ago?
 
v-1d_350.jpg

Cruise missile, not ballistic missile.

 

 

the V-1 has a guidance system and is propelled by a ramjet. Sounds like cruise missile like to me.

 

 

And the basic idea is the same. Launch a flying bomb from an aeroplane to have potentially higher range.


Edited by Panzermann, 14 June 2018 - 0418 AM.

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 0451 AM

Ghetto rockets are cool.


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Posted 14 June 2018 - 0532 AM

 

 

 
Anyway, didn't the Germans do this with the V-1 some 75 years ago?
 
v-1d_350.jpg

Cruise missile, not ballistic missile.

 

 

the V-1 has a guidance system and is propelled by a ramjet. Sounds like cruise missile like to me.

 

 

And the basic idea is the same. Launch a flying bomb from an aeroplane to have potentially higher range.

 

 

Pulse jet, so close but no cigar

 

but good comparison

 

the V-1 was probably the only 'successful' application of the pulse jet, as few human pilots could cope with being kicked in the back a number of times per second whilst trying to fly a pulse jet powered aircraft


Edited by DougRichards, 14 June 2018 - 0533 AM.

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#9 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 0620 AM


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Posted 14 June 2018 - 0635 AM


 

 
Anyway, didn't the Germans do this with the V-1 some 75 years ago?
 
v-1d_350.jpg

Cruise missile, not ballistic missile.
 
 
the V-1 has a guidance system and is propelled by a ramjet. Sounds like cruise missile like to me.
 
 
And the basic idea is the same. Launch a flying bomb from an aeroplane to have potentially higher range.
That's the point. Russian and Israeli approach is ballistic.
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#11 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 0746 AM

Nothing new under the sun.

 

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https://www.britmode...canvictor-idea/


Edited by Stuart Galbraith, 14 June 2018 - 0748 AM.

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#12 DougRichards

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 0803 AM

Nothing new under the sun.

 

Avro_Vulcan_B.3_top-view_silhouette.png

 

https://www.britmode...canvictor-idea/

 

Well as this thread started with an Israeli theme we may as well quote the full verse

 

Ecclesiastes 1:9 New International Version (NIV)

What has been will be again,
    what has been done will be done again;
    there is nothing new under the sun.


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Posted 14 June 2018 - 1017 AM

Brilliant...take something cheap and simple with infinite loiter time and dozens per vehicle and put it on a vulnerable $1000/minute platform that can be on station for 10 minutes at a time with three.

S/F....Ken M  


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Posted 14 June 2018 - 1023 AM

Well it's to extend the range I'd presume. Don't see how a truck is any less vulnerable than an F-16 either.
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Posted 14 June 2018 - 1104 AM

Brilliant...take something cheap and simple with infinite loiter time and dozens per vehicle and put it on a vulnerable $1000/minute platform that can be on station for 10 minutes at a time with three.

S/F....Ken M  

 

Buuut..... Its got Electrolytes! They're what Iranian's crave! :)

 

 

 

Nothing new under the sun.

 

Avro_Vulcan_B.3_top-view_silhouette.png

 

https://www.britmode...canvictor-idea/

 

Well as this thread started with an Israeli theme we may as well quote the full verse

 

Ecclesiastes 1:9 New International Version (NIV)

What has been will be again,
    what has been done will be done again;
    there is nothing new under the sun.

 

 

Very good Doug. :)


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#16 Chris Werb

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 1740 PM

The advantages I see with the new Israeli rocket adaptation are as follows.

 

1. It can be launched from relatively low altitude thus not exposing the launch platform as do SDB etc.

2. It's very cheap compared to any other powered weapon with its range.

3. It can be carried in larger numbers than most other standoff weapons.

4. it complicates things for the defence if added to the mix.

5. It requires no jammable datalink and no input after launch


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Posted 15 June 2018 - 1517 PM

State run companies?  Sound a bit chinese communist to me rather than western capitalism.

 

 

At its establishment, Israel decided to create 3 organizations/companies each dealing with specific tasks to make local procurement of weapons more efficient. Export was not yet on the agenda.

IMI built all sorts of firearms, later evolving to deal with all sorts of ground related technologies such as AFVs. 

IAI dealt in aerial systems such as UAVs and local production and modification of aircraft, and at its peak also developed an indigenous fighter jet.

RAFAEL was the national 'laboratory' and anything urgent or out of the box, was developed there. 

 

All eventually grew to offer their weapon systems abroad, and now sales to the IDF are greatly dwarfed by their exports. They conduct more like private companies really.

At the moment, the government isn't so much controlling them as it is struggling to keep them on leash from tearing at each other.

 

Then there is Elbit, a private company, which is bigger than all of them, and is now in the process of acquiring IMI.

 

Brilliant...take something cheap and simple with infinite loiter time and dozens per vehicle and put it on a vulnerable $1000/minute platform that can be on station for 10 minutes at a time with three.

S/F....Ken M  

 

All air launched munitions can be fired from the ground. That's still not an argument against having an air force.

Just look at what happened to the Egyptians when they thought it would be a great idea to invade right after their air force was decimated.


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Posted 15 June 2018 - 1547 PM

So..

First air carried ballistic ground weapon?

Mitrailleuse_on_French_Morane_Saulnier_L


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 1056 AM

So..

First air carried ballistic ground weapon?

Mitrailleuse_on_French_Morane_Saulnier_L


Interesting. I knew the French used Vickers guns on aircraft but not Lewis guns. The Lewis was the first MG fired from an aircraft, but the first firearm was apparently an M1903 Springfield.
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Posted 16 June 2018 - 1342 PM

Actually pistol Italian pilot fired in the general direction of Ottomans in 1911.


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