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#7421 Panzermann

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Posted 18 October 2018 - 1528 PM

That Twitter is "shadowbanning" people (that is making them invisible to all other users) has been knownn for years. Twitter has also had a problem with bots for years. Pretty much as soon as it launched some hackers found ways to write scripts to automate sending of messages and answering. so traffic is artificially inflated by bots. They are also used to create followers etc.

 

 

But very nice that this O'Keefe guy goes "wallraffing" and catches them redhanded.


 
 

Has anyone ever been found who was swayed to vote the way they did because of these Russian bots the media makes such a big deal about as if they're somehow worse than brainless celebrities or ideologues telling you "vote X or you're racist/sexist/homophobe/bigot".

Any examples of "I was going to vote Hillary but then saw that picture of her arm wrestling Jesus and changed my mind."?

 
I think the theory behind such propaganda public information campaign work is, that the mass of the messages sent makes something stick. Even if only it is just an impression of  person X is bad. I doubt many if anyone can point to the exact event that changed their mind.


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Posted 18 October 2018 - 1551 PM

 

The video is all lies Paul, those are paid actors not twitter employees. This is all a plot by Putin to steal your underpants. 

 

 

 

Lvl 29 here. PRAISE KEK!

 

 

 

 

Kekboys come in all vintages, at age 40 i`m a proud kekite.

 

 

The left accusing people of being russian bots / trolls for 2 plus years = not dehumanizing

 

NPC meme = dehumanizing

 

NO, but we are amused by it.

And guess what, we'll use that NPC meme more because you're offended by it.

 

You guys should find yourselves a job, a girl, or both. The Internet won't help you.


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Posted 18 October 2018 - 1558 PM

Come on dude, you can do better than that. 


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Posted 18 October 2018 - 1604 PM

In case you're wondering, I did a little deleting here. Name calling isn't called for here.
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Posted 18 October 2018 - 1627 PM

 

Has anyone ever been found who was swayed to vote the way they did because of these Russian bots the media makes such a big deal about as if they're somehow worse than brainless celebrities or ideologues telling you "vote X or you're racist/sexist/homophobe/bigot".

Any examples of "I was going to vote Hillary but then saw that picture of her arm wrestling Jesus and changed my mind."?

 
I think the theory behind such propaganda public information campaign work is, that the mass of the messages sent makes something stick. Even if only it is just an impression of  person X is bad. I doubt many if anyone can point to the exact event that changed their mind.

 

The Russian operations are not about changing anybody's mind. They are trying to polarize, mobilize both sides, rile them up against each other and against authorities, sowing discord and distrust in the system. People still widely have the idea that all those trolls are posting pro-Trump, anti-Democrat messages. The essential fact to get is that they are working both sides. It doesn't matter if they delegitimize the FBI as part of the "Deep State" or police as racist as long as trust in government institutions is eroded and people go at each others' throats over it. In fact Russian troll accounts have been very active in pushing the "Black Lives Matter" movement. Crossposting and expanding from the Information Warfare thread:

 

#TrollTracker: Twitter Troll Farm Archives

 
Part One — Seven key take aways from a comprehensive archive of known Russian and Iranian troll operations
 

On October 17, Twitter released an archive of over ten million tweets posted by accounts from 2013 through 2018. Of the total, over nine million tweets were attributable to 3,800 accounts affiliated with the Internet Research Agency, also known as Russia’s infamous St. Petersburg troll factory. Over one million tweets were attributable to 770 accounts, originating from Iran.

 

Each set is included in the same archive; however, because the actors and activity were separate, our analysis was conducted accordingly.

 

In an effort to promote shared understanding of the vulnerabilities exploited by various types on online influence operations, as well as social media’s role in democracy, @DFRlab had a brief advance opportunity to analyze the nearly complete archive.

 

[...]

 

These are the seven most important points to know about the Russian and Iranian troll farm operations. Parts two, three, and four of this series take deep dives into each troll farm, their impact, and implications.

 

1. All Content Points Home
 

Both troll operations put their governments’ needs first. Russia’s troll operation primarily targeted Russian speakers, while Iran’s focused on pushing regime messaging abroad by promoting aligned websites.

 

The Russian troll farm posted significantly more in Russian than in English, especially in late 2014 until early 2015, when Russia was fighting an undeclared war in Ukraine and facing anti-corruption demonstrations at home.

 

The Russian operation’s subsequent use of English-language posting showed how a capability designed for domestic influence could be turned abroad.

 

2. Multiple Goals
 

The Russian operation had multiple and evolving goals. One main purpose was to interfere in the U.S. presidential election and prevent Hillary Clinton’s victory, but it was also aimed at dividing polarized online communities in the U.S., unifying support for Russia’s international interests, and breaking down trust in U.S. institutions.

 

3. Community Targeting
 

Both operations targeted highly engaged, highly polarized online communities, especially in the United States. The Russian operation attempted to infiltrate and polarize them, while the Iranian operation tried to message them.

 

Any attempts to increase domestic resilience should prioritize working with such communities.

 

4. Equal-Opportunity Troll Farms
 

The Russian trolls were non-partisan: they tried to inflame everybody, regardless of race, creed, politics, or sexual orientation. On many occasions, they pushed both sides of divisive issues.

 

“Mass shooting occurs even in #GunFreeZones so people is the problem not guns #Prayers4California” ( @micparrish, December 3, 2015)

 

“mass shooting wont stop until there are #GunFreeZones #Prayers4California” (@LazyKStafford, December 3, 2015)
 

It is vital to recognize this factor to end the partisan perception that Russian influence operations focused on one side of the political spectrum. Focus shifted over time or at specific moments based target audience.

 

[...]

 

https://medium.com/d...es-8d5dd61c486b

 

Part Two — How the Internet Research Agency regenerated on Twitter after its accounts were suspended

 

[...]

 

The Russian troll operation which was exposed for targeting the United States in the fall of 2017 did not cease operating after its exposure. Instead, it set up a new batch of troll accounts that posed as Americans to post polarizing content from both ends of the political spectrum.

 

The “Internet Research Agency” (IRA) in St. Petersburg, Russia, ran thousands of fake Twitter accounts and posted some nine million tweets between 2012 and September 2017. Some accounts targeted the 2016 presidential election, while others were aimed at inflaming partisan anger. Twitter suspended those accounts in September 2017, after the operation was exposed by Russian journalists.

 

After the exposure and mass suspension, the “troll farm” continued to post inflammatory and hyper-partisan content from over 1,000 more recently created accounts. These remained active until mid-June 2018, when they were exposed and taken offline.

 

The second wave of Russian troll farm accounts was an evolutionary step from the first. They maintained a focus on minority groups and sensitive political issues, in a matter which reached across platforms. They spread some content that was notably anti-Russian, which highlights a key assessment of disinformation. If successful in driving a country further apart rather than closer together internally, that country would be less able to enact anti-Russian policy.

 

The chief lesson is that the Russian attempt to spread division continued after its initial accounts were suspended. This second wave of troll accounts masqueraded as hyper-partisan activists. By the time it was shut down, it had begun targeting not only the 2018 midterm elections, but the 2020 presidential elections.

 

Given America’s online polarization, it would be unwise to assume that the takedown of this second front marked the end of the Russian-based information operation against the United States. American online communities remain vulnerable to further foreign influence campaigns, whether from Russia, Iran, or elsewhere.

 

Still Posting, More Slowly

 

For the purposes of this article, we will refer to the troll farm campaign that ran from 2014 to October 2017 as the “first wave,” and the campaign from November 1, 2017, onwards as the “second wave.” Some of the accounts active in the second wave were created in early 2017 but continued to post well into 2018.

 

[...]

 

Some of the accounts which made up the second wave of troll farm accounts masqueraded as hyper-partisan supporters of U.S. President Donald Trump, brandishing his 2016 election motto, “Make America Great Again” or MAGA.

 

This was in line with the first wave, which used the #MAGA hashtag massively — over 300,000 times in posts and biographies between 2015 and 2017 — according to the Twitter database.

 

One of the more active second-front MAGA accounts was @JohnCopper16, screen name “Marlboro Man,” which was created on September 4, 2017, and had a modest 4,966 followers by the time it was suspended in June 2018.

 

[...]

 

While “Marlboro Man” had under 5,000 followers, some were important amplifiers. The tweet shared by @speed32119 was also retweeted by Anne Coulter, a prominent Trump supporter and campaigner, and shared to her Facebook page.

 

It was not the first time Coulter had been taken in by an account from the troll factory. According to the Huffington Post, she retweeted one of the leading accounts from the first front, @TEN_GOP, at least nine times.

 

[...]

 

Beyond the amplification by Coulter mentioned above, these accounts do not appear to have had large resonance. Their followings were low, and they only scored handfuls of retweets, unlike first-wave accounts such as @TEN_GOP, which amassed tens of thousands of followers, and could score over 25,000 retweets of a single tweet. They are important for the continued attempt they show to sow division, rather than their impact.

 

Looking Like Liberals

 

At least as much of the second wave’s efforts focused on anti-Trump liberal groups, especially the self-styled “Resistance” movement.

 

These included three accounts that posed as African American women. The best-preserved online was @wokeluisa, screen name “Luisa Haynes,” which was followed by over 50,000 accounts, but was following 57,000, suggesting either bot amplification or follow-back arrangements. This account was created in March 2017.

 

According to internet archives, it posted a range of pro-liberal, anti-Trump, and anti-administration messaging, and it achieved more impact than the conservative impersonators.

 

The account attacked libertarian U.S. Senator Rand Paul repeatedly, even though Sen. Paul is a vocal supporter of increased cooperation between the United States and Russia.

 

In the troll farm’s tradition of focusing on the most divisive issues, the account posted aggressively about the Parkland school shooting and the student activists in favor of gun control, who rose to prominence afterwards.

 

[...]

 

The second ostensibly African American female account was @KaniJJackson, screen name “Kanisha Jackson.” This account was created on September 5, 2017, just one day after the MAGA accounts. It used three anti-Trump hashtags in its biography: #Impeach45, #Resist and #GunReformNow. It had 27,000 followers, and followed 23,000 accounts, suggesting a follow-back deal.

 

This account attacked Trump directly.

 

It also called directly on the #resistance movement, with some degree of impact, judging by the number of likes and retweets.

 

[...]

 

The third apparently African American account was @LaChristie, screen name “Christie Walker,” self-described as a “Resistance Girl” from Flint, Michigan. This account was created on September 11, 2017, and had over 7,000 followers, but followed over 9,000 other accounts.

 

It, too, attacked Trump.

 

Its presentation of American society was as polemic as any far right impersonator.

 

[...]

 

https://medium.com/d...es-8be6dd793eb2

 

Anybody interested should really follow the links and read the whole articles with the quoted tweets, which are hard to copy into posts here.


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Posted 18 October 2018 - 1720 PM

In case you're wondering, I did a little deleting here. Name calling isn't called for here.


Agreed. No need.
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Posted 18 October 2018 - 1840 PM

 

'Big Chief Talking Bull'

 

This Indian thing is going to stick to her like "white on rice" ....... :P

 

Well, if you insist...

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#7428 Panzermann

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Posted 18 October 2018 - 1904 PM

The Russian operations are not about changing anybody's mind. They are trying to polarize, mobilize both sides, rile them up against each other and against authorities, sowing discord and distrust in the system. People still widely have the idea that all those trolls are posting pro-Trump, anti-Democrat messages. The essential fact to get is that they are working both sides. It doesn't matter if they delegitimize the FBI as part of the "Deep State" or police as racist as long as trust in government institutions is eroded and people go at each others' throats over it. In fact Russian troll accounts have been very active in pushing the "Black Lives Matter" movement. Crossposting and expanding from the Information Warfare thread:

 

Oh yes of course. Fueling the fires is at the core of Zersetzung. Actually we have discussed this years ago already, when the russian troll factories came up the first time around. Funny thing is you can fiond the relevant STASI handbooks online. http://www.ddr-wisse...Richtlinie_1-76 (excerpt from the guideline 1/76) the KGB ones are probably floating in the internet too.

 

The media in the  USA are too biased to only either see it through red or blue glasses ignoring the other half.


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Posted 18 October 2018 - 1922 PM

The Russians use bots, and trolls, and the left wing in the Western world has taken that narrative and run with it to dehumanize, dismiss, and censor political opponents 

 

I can't speak for Europeans but the US has been developing its own social media bots, and there is a lot of talk of their activity on Reddit and large amounts of traffic originating from one US military base. 

 

 
Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media
Military's 'sock puppet' software creates fake online identities to spread pro-American propaganda 

 
The US military is developing software that will let it secretly manipulate social media sites by using fake online personas to influence internet conversations and spread pro-American propaganda.
 
A Californian corporation has been awarded a contract with United States Central Command (Centcom), which oversees US armed operations in the Middle East and Central Asia, to develop what is described as an "online persona management service" that will allow one US serviceman or woman to control up to 10 separate identities based all over the world.
 
The project has been likened by web experts to China's attempts to control and restrict free speech on the internet. Critics are likely to complain that it will allow the US military to create a false consensus in online conversations, crowd out unwelcome opinions and smother commentaries or reports that do not correspond with its own objectives.The discovery that the US military is developing false online personalities – known to users of social media as "sock puppets" – could also encourage other governments, private companies and non-government organisations to do the same.
 
The Centcom contract stipulates that each fake online persona must have a convincing background, history and supporting details, and that up to 50 US-based controllers should be able to operate false identities from their workstations "without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries".
 
Centcom spokesman Commander Bill Speaks said: "The technology supports classified blogging activities on foreign-language websites to enable Centcom to counter violent extremist and enemy propaganda outside the US."
 
He said none of the interventions would be in English, as it would be unlawful to "address US audiences" with such technology, and any English-language use of social media by Centcom was always clearly attributed. The languages in which the interventions are conducted include Arabic, Farsi, Urdu and Pashto.
 
Centcom said it was not targeting any US-based web sites, in English or any other language, and specifically said it was not targeting Facebook or Twitter.
 
Once developed, the software could allow US service personnel, working around the clock in one location, to respond to emerging online conversations with any number of co-ordinated messages, blogposts, chatroom posts and other interventions. Details of the contract suggest this location would be MacDill air force base near Tampa, Florida, home of US Special Operations Command.
 
Centcom's contract requires for each controller the provision of one "virtual private server" located in the United States and others appearing to be outside the US to give the impression the fake personas are real people located in different parts of the world.
 
It also calls for "traffic mixing", blending the persona controllers' internet usage with the usage of people outside Centcom in a manner that must offer "excellent cover and powerful deniability".
 
The multiple persona contract is thought to have been awarded as part of a programme called Operation Earnest Voice (OEV), which was first developed in Iraq as a psychological warfare weapon against the online presence of al-Qaida supporters and others ranged against coalition forces. Since then, OEV is reported to have expanded into a $200m programme and is thought to have been used against jihadists across Pakistan, Afghanistan and the Middle East.
 
OEV is seen by senior US commanders as a vital counter-terrorism and counter-radicalisation programme. In evidence to the US Senate's armed services committee last year, General David Petraeus, then commander of Centcom, described the operation as an effort to "counter extremist ideology and propaganda and to ensure that credible voices in the region are heard". He said the US military's objective was to be "first with the truth".
 
This month Petraeus's successor, General James Mattis, told the same committee that OEV "supports all activities associated with degrading the enemy narrative, including web engagement and web-based product distribution capabilities".
 
Centcom confirmed that the $2.76m contract was awarded to Ntrepid, a newly formed corporation registered in Los Angeles. It would not disclose whether the multiple persona project is already in operation or discuss any related contracts.
 
Nobody was available for comment at Ntrepid.
 
In his evidence to the Senate committee, Gen Mattis said: "OEV seeks to disrupt recruitment and training of suicide bombers; deny safe havens for our adversaries; and counter extremist ideology and propaganda." He added that Centcom was working with "our coalition partners" to develop new techniques and tactics the US could use "to counter the adversary in the cyber domain".
 
According to a report by the inspector general of the US defence department in Iraq, OEV was managed by the multinational forces rather than Centcom.
 
Asked whether any UK military personnel had been involved in OEV, Britain's Ministry of Defence said it could find "no evidence". The MoD refused to say whether it had been involved in the development of persona management programmes, saying: "We don't comment on cyber capability."
 
OEV was discussed last year at a gathering of electronic warfare specialists in Washington DC, where a senior Centcom officer told delegates that its purpose was to "communicate critical messages and to counter the propaganda of our adversaries".
 
Persona management by the US military would face legal challenges if it were turned against citizens of the US, where a number of people engaged in sock puppetry have faced prosecution.
 
Last year a New York lawyer who impersonated a scholar was sentenced to jail after being convicted of "criminal impersonation" and identity theft.
 
It is unclear whether a persona management programme would contravene UK law. Legal experts say it could fall foul of the Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981, which states that "a person is guilty of forgery if he makes a false instrument, with the intention that he or another shall use it to induce somebody to accept it as genuine, and by reason of so accepting it to do or not to do some act to his own or any other person's prejudice". However, this would apply only if a website or social network could be shown to have suffered "prejudice" as a result.
 
• This article was amended on 18 March 2011 to remove references to Facebook and Twitter, introduced during the editing process, and to add a comment from Centcom, received after publication, that it is not targeting those sites.
 
 
 

 

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https://www.theguard...social-networks


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Posted 18 October 2018 - 1929 PM

Well  if anyone had to start the tit for tat, guess who was.

For clarification, Pelosi was in a campaign reception, supporting a local candidate, and she had in tow a couple of Californian representatives that have at some point crossed Cuban Americans by praising Fidel Castro.


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Posted 18 October 2018 - 2047 PM

At this point, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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Posted 18 October 2018 - 2051 PM

Well  if anyone had to start the tit for tat, guess who was.

For clarification, Pelosi was in a campaign reception, supporting a local candidate, and she had in tow a couple of Californian representatives that have at some point crossed Cuban Americans by praising Fidel Castro.

Heroes of the Republic.


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Posted 19 October 2018 - 0541 AM

How do you know what Mr King does?
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Posted 19 October 2018 - 0627 AM

How do you know what Mr King does?

Every breath you take
Every move you make
Every bond you break
Every step you take
I'll be watching you
Every single day
Every word you say
Every game you play
Every night you stay
I'll be watching you
Oh can't you see
You belong to me
My poor heart aches
With every step you take

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Posted 19 October 2018 - 0633 AM

At this point, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

The new rules suck, I HATE them. I want nothing more than to go back to respectfully disagreeing but I didn't make the new rules and only the Left can turn us all back from the abyss since they're the ones that have taken us on this journey. If they abandon Alinskyite tactics then we can get back to being a sane society.


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Posted 19 October 2018 - 0744 AM

 

At this point, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

The new rules suck, I HATE them. I want nothing more than to go back to respectfully disagreeing but I didn't make the new rules and only the Left can turn us all back from the abyss since they're the ones that have taken us on this journey. If they abandon Alinskyite tactics then we can get back to being a sane society.

 

 

Sadly similar situations in the past have only resolved violently. :(


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Posted 19 October 2018 - 0803 AM

Hopeless optimist that I am, I dearly hope that there will actually be a 'Red Wave' of voters quietly fed up with the leftist agitation and extremism in a few weeks to (I pray) shock the Democrats into realizing how far off-base they have become. :mellow:


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Posted 19 October 2018 - 0856 AM

Not going to happen. If they lose it will be because the were not left enough and not violent enough. They will have the npc crowd triple down.
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Posted 19 October 2018 - 0906 AM

Not going to happen. If they lose it will be because the were not left enough and not violent enough. They will have the npc crowd triple down.

 

don't forget the russian/chinese/whereeverforeign hackers that are going to be blamed.


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Posted 19 October 2018 - 0913 AM

Absolutely, and they will blame Law Enforcement for something such as voter suppression.  The left will go even more hysterially violent, more left, and more Alinskyite.  It will be ugly.  The left is going to start killing people, they are already attacking Conservatives and Republicans.  https://dailycaller....s-mind-blowing/

https://www.breitbar...ump-supporters/

 

Not going to happen. If they lose it will be because the were not left enough and not violent enough. They will have the npc crowd triple down.

 

don't forget the russian/chinese/whereeverforeign hackers that are going to be blamed.

 


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