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#21 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 09 November 2019 - 0219 AM

Thanks very much for that Hans.

 

There is a lot here I didnt know, for example the idea that it had a counter subversion role was entirely new to me. I guess that pretty much came to pass in Italy as we saw.

 

As its Berlin Wall day, its worth flagging up this podcast on Cold War Conversations about Checkpoint Charlie. The bit about the Commander British Forces Berlin giving protection to the Soviets soldiers is strangely moving.

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#22 HBoersma

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Posted 09 November 2019 - 1640 PM

I did not pick up on the counter-subversion rol; was that in the podcast?

 

There was no counter-subversive role for O&I (as far as we know, one should always add in matters like these), but it seems unlikely given what is now known. But in Italy and Belgium, and to some extent in West Germany I believe, there were and are suspicions that their SBO's were linked to far-right terrorism (taking "anti-subversive" to a whole new level). This is how Gladio, being the first SBO to be uncloaked, gave the whole of the SBO concept a bad name — and in some cases rightly so, it seems.


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#23 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 0509 AM

I did not pick up on the counter-subversion rol; was that in the podcast?

 

There was no counter-subversive role for O&I (as far as we know, one should always add in matters like these), but it seems unlikely given what is now known. But in Italy and Belgium, and to some extent in West Germany I believe, there were and are suspicions that their SBO's were linked to far-right terrorism (taking "anti-subversive" to a whole new level). This is how Gladio, being the first SBO to be uncloaked, gave the whole of the SBO concept a bad name — and in some cases rightly so, it seems.

Sorry Hans, I didnt notice this at the time.

 

Yeah, it refers to the CIA undertaking the original brief for stay behind parties as not only for fighting against invasions, but also had in mind countering a Czechoslovak style subversion campaign. Ive no idea how much stock they put on that post the take over of the organizations by NATO, but clearly there does seem to have been a use to that end in italy.  Its been a while since I listened to it, but im sure its in there, I think its early on where they are talking about the CIA.

 

Here is an interesting one, our own Ken Katz talks with the fighter pilot podcast on the B52 bomber.

 

https://www.fighterp...mbermonth/#b-52

 

Sorry Ken, I had absolutely no idea how highly qualified you are. :blink:


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Posted 10 January 2020 - 1525 PM

Been listening to this the last couple of days. It's the case of Isdal woman, a woman who died in a fire on a Bergen hillside in 1970, and still remains unidentified. There is a lingering suspicion she may have been a spy, because she had some items in a code or shorthand in her luggage. And she seemed to take an interest in the Penguin missile tests, and German and Norwegian naval officers.
https://www.bbc.co.u...sodes/downloads

Well worth a listen, even if you don't like true crime stories.
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#25 Chris Werb

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Posted 13 January 2020 - 1428 PM

Brilliant find Stuart. I'm going to have to ration myself to one programme a day though. I've also forwarded the link to my brother, who got to do some interesting things in the Cold War. :)


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#26 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 13 January 2020 - 1454 PM

Yeah, it's a bit good innit. I can't make head not rail of it, other than the map showing her presence in Wales might indicate internment in the isle of man.

Also, tell your brother about that cold war conversations link as well. I'm fact, he would probably be a good candidate for an interview.

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