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#21 Yama

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Posted 23 March 2018 - 0834 AM

Naval vessels are somewhat out of my lane, but if a ship has a persistent 1.3 degree list isn't that a significant issue?
 
 
https://navaltoday.c...builder-report/


Nimitz class carriers have similar permanent list, I don't know if it has been fixed in Ford. Of course ships do not sail with a list, it is fixed by counterweighting, they keep some of the damage control voids filled with water. Obviously this reduces reserve buoyancy of the hull.
As for the F125 as a warship...well, who am I to question the requirement of a colonial cruiser for a country which has no colonial empire??

Though, Germany is hardly alone. Quote: "Our current ships can operate in the Mediterranean, but not on Indian Ocean, so our new ships will be designed with that in mind." That quote came from FINNISH admiral. :wacko:

Though, it was pre-2014 and seems that since then, requirements have been tuned to slightly more sensible direction.


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#22 Adam Peter

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 1204 PM

A German Warship Was Scorched By Its Own Missile

 

A German air defense frigate was damaged in a missile-firing incident off the Norwegian coast last week. A SM-2 missile somehow became trapped in its launcher, and the resulting rocket exhaust inflicted serious damage to the ship’s bow. Two German Navy sailors were injured in the incident.

On June 21st the FGS Sachsen, the first of four Type 124 air defense frigates in German Navy service, was attempting to launch a Standard SM-2 air defense missile. The missile rocket motor ignited but the missile failed to clear the Mk.41 vertical launch system silo. An explosion was followed by a short, intense fire as the rocket motor burned. A video of the incident (along with some well-earned swearing in German) was posted to Twitter.

 

It looks like SM-2 have it's own Russian S-x00 SAM moments, too:

 

 

In July 2015 a SM-2 missile exploded shortly after being launched by the guided missile destroyer USS The Sullivans. There were no injuries in the incident.


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Posted 29 June 2018 - 1656 PM

 

A German Warship Was Scorched By Its Own Missile

 

A German air defense frigate was damaged in a missile-firing incident off the Norwegian coast last week. A SM-2 missile somehow became trapped in its launcher, and the resulting rocket exhaust inflicted serious damage to the ship’s bow. Two German Navy sailors were injured in the incident.

On June 21st the FGS Sachsen, the first of four Type 124 air defense frigates in German Navy service, was attempting to launch a Standard SM-2 air defense missile. The missile rocket motor ignited but the missile failed to clear the Mk.41 vertical launch system silo. An explosion was followed by a short, intense fire as the rocket motor burned. A video of the incident (along with some well-earned swearing in German) was posted to Twitter.

 

It looks like SM-2 have it's own Russian S-x00 SAM moments, too:

 

 

In July 2015 a SM-2 missile exploded shortly after being launched by the guided missile destroyer USS The Sullivans. There were no injuries in the incident.

 

How old were the missiles?


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#24 Panzermann

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Posted 05 July 2018 - 0812 AM

The two oilers of the Deutsche Marine have been taken out of action, because Det Norske Veritas-Germanischer Lloyd (DNV GL) has revoked both ships classification for damage to their main engines. Both are 1970ies single-hull tankers so should have been replaced long ago, because they are a risk to spill oil at the slightest bumb and most nrabours do not allow them in anymore.

 

https://augengeradea...ne-ohne-tanker/

 

 

They have been kciking the can down the street for two decades now for such a simple project like buying an oiler. :angry:


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Posted 05 July 2018 - 1145 AM

What about the three Berlin class AOR?
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Posted 05 July 2018 - 1359 PM

What about the three Berlin class AOR?

 

They sail, but to not tie them up supporting the NATO flottillas that are at high readiness, you need additional oilers, because normally when the fuel tank is at two-thirds they start calling for fuel to be always combat ready. If they really switch on their gas turbines they burn through their fuel within hours at high speed and thus are topped off regularly. Also oilers are simpler and thus cheaper than the full grown task force supply ships of the bErlin class. And why waste these for just topping off the oil bunkers?


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Posted 06 July 2018 - 0850 AM

But that is a failure of the military leadership. Can you imagine any political party saying no to the need to replace single hull fuel tankers with much safer double hulls, especially when operating in the Wattenmeer?


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Posted 06 July 2018 - 0914 AM

But that is a failure of the military leadership. Can you imagine any political party saying no to the need to replace single hull fuel tankers with much safer double hulls, especially when operating in the Wattenmeer?

 

They have done exactly this.

 

 

In the procurement bureaucracy the new oilers have been procrastinated as low priority, because all the out-of-area expeditions had to be paid for. And the Greens obviously did not care.


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