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#13041 Ssnake

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 0349 AM

In all fairness, they write that it doesn't change lives "as much as expected". The veracity of that statement could very well hinge on prior expectation management.


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Posted 11 October 2019 - 0436 AM

Sure, but what fun is that?   :P

 

It is of course perfectly legitimate to re-assess efficacy of such programs and if providing electricity has been touted as as miracle or if it is perceived as more important than other assistance projects, it makes sense and is obviously useful to provide a corrective. Especially if it turns out that cost-benefit would increase if another area (like clean water, or vaccination) was prioritized higher.

 

Having said that, in a time when Californians are now having to get used to rolling blackouts, when we have Extinction Rebellion running around saying nutty things, when Swedish professors are recommending cannibalism (and Swedish teenagers are actually taken seriously when they say people should panic), the immediate PR image generated of an affluent western media using the electronic media to advertise that brown people don't really benefit all that much from electricity is worth at least a chuckle.

 

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#13043 lucklucky

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 0645 AM

In all fairness, they write that it doesn't change lives "as much as expected". The veracity of that statement could very well hinge on prior expectation management.

 

Fairness? .Like your heart is still beating? if you don't have a peacemaker, maybe tell me how your ventilation machine works...

 

 

Everything is being prepared for the next Grand Marxist Famine.


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#13044 Ssnake

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 0827 AM

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#13045 NickM

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 0906 AM

the_economist_hates_electricity_10-10-19

 

The Economist has become the Grauniad with proper spelling and punctuation.

 

I wonder if this 'Economist post' has a comments section--I'm sure someone will remind them that electricity can be used for cooking and for heating too.


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Posted 11 October 2019 - 1111 AM

WTF?

Cooking can be done with electric stoves, yes, but electricity is not an enabler where you otherwise have to eat everything raw. That if you don't have to use a wood or coal fire indoors you improve the quality of the air that you breathe is certainly a benefit but nevertheless electric stoves are a very costly marginal improvement compared to a camp fire with a kettle.

 

The kind of application case that can bring electricity to the poorest of people is one that involves a solar panel or two, a battery, and what you can bring to life with it - some LED lights and/or a mobile phone. Try a battery powered stove to see how far you'll get.

 

 

If this twitter post is supposed to illustrate how dangerously stupid "the left" is, it's backfiring epically.


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#13047 JWB

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 1142 AM

 

The kind of application case that can bring electricity to the poorest of people is one that involves a solar panel or two, a battery, and what you can bring to life with it - some LED lights and/or a mobile phone. Try a battery powered stove to see how far you'll get.

 

Refrigeration.


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Posted 11 October 2019 - 1250 PM

WTF?

Cooking can be done with electric stoves, yes, but electricity is not an enabler where you otherwise have to eat everything raw. That if you don't have to use a wood or coal fire indoors you improve the quality of the air that you breathe is certainly a benefit but nevertheless electric stoves are a very costly marginal improvement compared to a camp fire with a kettle.

 

The kind of application case that can bring electricity to the poorest of people is one that involves a solar panel or two, a battery, and what you can bring to life with it - some LED lights and/or a mobile phone. Try a battery powered stove to see how far you'll get.

 

 

If this twitter post is supposed to illustrate how dangerously stupid "the left" is, it's backfiring epically.

 

You are epic ignorant then, or worse, without electricity your life expectancy drops a several of decades and the output of any country will drop drastically leading to a generalized famine and warfare.


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#13049 Yama

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 1300 PM

Whereas I think it's laughably optimistic to think that few solar panels, associated batteries and LED lights will instantly transform people living in mud huts into well-off 1st world social media hipsters, it's still an improvement which leads to time and effort saving which can be used to something more productive. My family's summer cottage has no electricity, and while it's all cool and nostalgic and romantic to twiddle with oil lamps and candles, it's quite lot of effort for little light and constant worry for fire hazard. Then stuff like mobile phones, which massively improve efficiency of communicating, refrigerators to keep the food or medicine from spoiling...it all adds up.
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Posted 11 October 2019 - 1304 PM

WTF?
Cooking can be done with electric stoves, yes, but electricity is not an enabler where you otherwise have to eat everything raw. That if you don't have to use a wood or coal fire indoors you improve the quality of the air that you breathe is certainly a benefit but nevertheless electric stoves are a very costly marginal improvement compared to a camp fire with a kettle.
 
The kind of application case that can bring electricity to the poorest of people is one that involves a solar panel or two, a battery, and what you can bring to life with it - some LED lights and/or a mobile phone. Try a battery powered stove to see how far you'll get.
 
 
If this twitter post is supposed to illustrate how dangerously stupid "the left" is, it's backfiring epically.

 
You are epic ignorant then, or worse, without electricity your life expectancy drops a several of decades and the output of any country will drop drastically leading to a generalized famine and warfare.


The article is behind paywall but I don't think it was talking about effect of general electricity network (which is huge as you noted) but kind of micro-elecricity solution which is all the rage nowadays, ie. household has some solar panels and batteries to power small, elecriticity-efficient items like LED lights, phones or laptops etc.
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#13051 lucklucky

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 1313 PM

So "micro" electricity is without electricity?


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Posted 11 October 2019 - 1409 PM

Once upon a time I did a back of the napkin calculation on how much it would cost in solar and batteries to be able to run an 800w window air conditioning unit with impunity off the grid -- as in, during the day have enough solar panels to run the AC whilst simultaneously fully charging the battery bank with 5 peak hours and 8 useful hours a day, and the battery bank sized to be capable of a minimum of 24 hours operation.  Of course an AC unit doesn't continuously consume 800w when on, but for the purposes of the test that was my baseline consumption per hour.     The results were absurdly expensive after accounting for efficiency losses and useful capacities -- something like $8,400 in solar and $6,000-$10,000+ in batteries (depending on if you went Lead Acid or Lithium Ion) not including wiring, BMS, charge controller and so on.   

You can get away with much cheaper if you ration things of course, but you can also buy a 2,000 watt generator for about $200 so it's not difficult to see why that's an attractive option.


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#13053 JWB

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 1414 PM

$8,400 for solar panels?


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#13054 Burncycle360

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 1436 PM

$8,400 for solar panels?


Under ideal conditions its an excess of power, but I wanted to be conservative to ensure there was enough power to run the unit during the day while simultaneously being able to completely charge the battery bank if it had been exhausted over 24 hours at an estimate of $150/100 watts and a yield of ~60% rated watts under ideal conditions which roughly matches what Ive been able to get out of panels versus what theyre rated for on paper. For instance a 28 watt panel I was able to get 16-17 watts actual at high noon in the summer
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Posted 11 October 2019 - 1442 PM

That must have been some time ago. PVCs cost a lot less than $1.50/watt now.


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Posted 12 October 2019 - 1219 PM

No, looks like about $1.50. 
https://www.northern...Ntt=solar panel
 

You want pricy units that can stand up to wind, weather, etc. 


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Posted 12 October 2019 - 1255 PM

WTF?

Cooking can be done with electric stoves, yes, but electricity is not an enabler where you otherwise have to eat everything raw. That if you don't have to use a wood or coal fire indoors you improve the quality of the air that you breathe is certainly a benefit but nevertheless electric stoves are a very costly marginal improvement compared to a camp fire with a kettle.

 

The kind of application case that can bring electricity to the poorest of people is one that involves a solar panel or two, a battery, and what you can bring to life with it - some LED lights and/or a mobile phone. Try a battery powered stove to see how far you'll get.

 

 

If this twitter post is supposed to illustrate how dangerously stupid "the left" is, it's backfiring epically.

Snake, the folks in these poor countries are often also afflicted by the accusation of 'deforestation', where they cut down trees to use for cook and boil water with...often times they have to burn cattle dung for heat, light and cooking flame.


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#13058 Yama

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Posted 12 October 2019 - 1853 PM

So "micro" electricity is without electricity?


No, it just means much less potential applications than being in proper electric grid.
It's pretty obvious really - what did the first 19th century elecricity applications do for average consumer? Well basically just a lightbulb or two and maybe some pump or other simple electric machine. That's all. It's pretty much same thing for these 3rd world solar panel systems. Better than nothing but doesn't transform you instantly into first-worlder.
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#13059 Murph

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Posted 12 October 2019 - 1904 PM

A college Professor decides that Sponge Bob Squarepants is a racist oppressor!  The left has lost their minds: 

 


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Posted 13 October 2019 - 0355 AM

At the moment, I do not know of a better Internet news source. 

http://youdontsay.org/


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